1921-P Morgan Dot Coin?

Thank you; I wasn't looking forward to that.

The trouble with scribbles is twofold: One, they're likely all known (or going to be known) for other die features, so every new one created will end up consolidated in the future.

Two, even with the most optimistic-possible estimate of die life (and that's certainly not the case), well over two hundred individual die pairs would have been required to produce 1921-P alone. I sincerely doubt that we've identified more than half of them yet. This has to be kept in mind when attempting to attribute a 1921.

When you have time please show us some of the other pictures like the doubling and lines in hair, etc.. That might help us figure out if it is listed.

Here is the link to VAMworld Chute. http://www.vamworld.com/share/view/65499256

I might be onto something with the doubling of the S. Please check and see if there is any other doubling and see if it might be an earlier die state of VAM 61 http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAM-61 I don't think the die cracks are exactly right but they are really close.

7TF, that one is close but the crack on my S is lower.

Casual observations...
I pulled all 20 1921 P coins from my bullion hoard. Only one VAM attributed. And made a cursory statistical observation.
Four coins were 16 berry reverses with no dot on the top berry.
Sixteen were 17 berry reverses. One, inconclusive due to wear and wire whizzing, but the other 15 had the distinctive "berry dot." Hub supportive.
Some had similar berry dots on the left side of the wreath. At least one had 3 berry dots.
So...
Amnight, I don't know what VAM you have. That is an entirely different, and equally valid question. But I am curious about the berry dot question you have raised.

I question the hardness test theory.
I have a very limited experience with hardness testing, and would appreciate input from others. But my limited experience with the Brinell system for hardness testing of hardened steels does not support this theory. First, the impact tool is diamond tipped, not round. The results are easier to measure. Second, the steel is tested on flat surfaces, not curved. The results are easier to measure. Third, it is usually done in the same place each time to eliminate variables.
Hardness tests are not meant to be hidden, their priority is to be informative. Putting them inside berries might be counter productive.

With a 1902-O example, I would consider the berry dots as a mechanical process.
And for lack of a better idea, maybe they were punched into the dies to refresh worn berries.
Just thoughts thrown out for others to improve upon.

It sure looks like the Motto is doubled. What else stands out? I am bored tonight and have nothing better to do but help others attribute their VAMs.

Kris

Amnight, the highest-magnification images in that set really should have been stacked - I was losing sufficient depth of field to show the whole detail at that magnification - but that would have added exponentially to the time involved. There just wasn't enough time. So I attempted to strike a compromise with the focal points to at least suggest relevant detail.

Even so, yours is about as completely-imaged as any Morgan ever has been. Doesn't do a whole lot of good as a standalone coin, but this is the direction it has to go and as more and more individual VAMs are imaged in such detail it will become more useful.