1936 Dot 10 Cent

So, where do the mintage numbers for 1936 Dot coins come from? Bellmaker posted regular 1936 numbers, and it clearly indicates a shortage of coins "after August". Certainly all this is an interesting read, but I don't see any compelling evidence to deviate from the conventional story about these coins. I mean, surely a guy like Pittman isn't going to orchestrate some elaborate ruse, and enlist Charlton in the "deception", over a single cent that he sold for $1500? Didn't the mint hoard those 206,398 1921 50 cents until around 1929? I can speculate that they tightened up after those 1921s leaked out into circulation. But I guess it depends on the veracity of the 1936 Dot mint numbers. It's a bit difficult to believe that almost 900,000 coins didn't actually get minted.

The mint has continued to release previous year DATED coins before, and reported them much the same way for the year of issue. This is nothing odd. The 2011 annual report provides a restatement that gathers several of these: http://www.mint.ca/store/dyn/PDFs/RCM2011AR.pdf

Look at page 106, for the normal circulation. It shows 2008 released in 2009, 2009 released in 2010, and 2010 released in 2011.

Why is 1936 the one year this must have been a special variety?

Bellmaker,

So if I understand correctly, you are saying that the story in Charelton's is incorrect and that there is no story attached to these coins. My understanding is that Charelton's story is based on discussions with Mint employees.

I am unclear what evidence your belief is based upon. I hope it is more than 1 full and 2 partial pages of an old mint report.

If you are asking people to believe you over Charelton, I hope you hope you can present some strong evidence and provide a competing explanation.

Basically I think that at this stage , it is an unprovable subject, due to the lack of real hard evidence. Part of the problem is that the 1936 and 1937 mint report are rather simplistic as to their depth and content. Another part of the problem is that all the principles such as any mint employee , Bank of Canada official, Pittman and Charlton and Roberts, are all now deceased. This in itself eliminates any possibility of first hand knowledge. Also as I stated earlier the information in the Charlton Catalogue has changed over numerous editions and is both controversial and contradictory. Haxby is of little more help except that he states that all known one and ten cent dots are indeed specimens ( A Guide Book of Canadian Coins and Tokens 1st edition). It seems that this is Canada's "ultimate" numismatic mystery and detective story.
We can all surmise and have our own theories, but I have yet hear a better more thought one than the fact that the one and ten cents DOT coins are nothing more than an RCM back door job and thus an official fabrication minted well after the demise of George V, the abdication of Edward VIII, and the Coronation of George VI. If these coins were minted in the numbers stated 678,823 for the cent and 191,237 for the ten cents ,one would surely have surfaced by now in 2014. Yet not ONE major grading service has authenticated or grade certified a single example other than the 3 cents and 5 10 cents that were known about way back in the day. These coins can all be attributed back to two high ranking mint employees of the day and subsequently their families and no one else. Why would that be ?
Dean has to come up with way better than two mint reports that are both simplistic in nature and barren in their scope, if he is to convince many of us on this subject.

As a footnote in an earlier post I stated that Charlton reported a sale of an uncirculated 1936 Dot cent in one of the early Charlton's
I can more accurately describe that situation. " A 1936 Dot Cent, Unc we see was sold by G.R.L. Potter to Harvey Brubaker, in 1955 for $900" .(source Coinman to Canadians a biography by H. Don Allen p.148). This coin subsequently ended up with JJ Pittman and was sold at the 1997 David Akers sale of part one of the JJ Pittman sale for $110,000 USD.

"I'm still curious - where do those 1936 dot mint numbers come from?[kbbpll]

Charltons over active imagination.

There were no escapes of the 1921 fifty cent coins. Simply put if you so desired you could get one if you visited the mint or asked to purchase one . There was simply no demand for fifty cent coins. It is curious though the majority of the known 1921 halves are in very low grade meaning they circulated for a long period of time or are AU or better. A Fine 15 to EF45 coin is virtually unknown to the numismatic community. The figure of total 1921 survivors is 75 or so according to Charlton. There are probably still a few unknown pieces and of course some that circulated to the point of being dateless. The story of the 1921 fifty cent coins is far less a mystery than that of the 36 dot coins.

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Now look who's calling the kettle black.....


I do love it,..and please don't stop...

Its obvious bellmaker is not getting the answers he's looking for here at CCF or written in any book anywhere.
It would take a lot more than just searching the internet for the answers your looking for bellmaker.
RCM is going to have some secrets just like any other large company, we may one day find out the real story or maybe never. For me its not enough to worry about, all our history is tainted with hearsay so why start with the DOT?

Personally I wouldnt be surprised if there was a ton of 1936 dot coins in some vault somewhere and we may never know..