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PCGS Numbers For Canada Victoria Large Cent Varieties

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 Posted 03/20/2018  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I agree. I tend to collect those Far 6s that can be identified to a single die pair with a die crack. Those include:

1. Far 6 - Reverse Die crack at 6 o'clock (https://www.PCGS.com/cert/34660406)
2. Far 6 - Obverse Die crack through C in CANADA (https://www.PCGS.com/cert/31455905)
3. Far 6 - Obverse Die crack through DEI (https://www.PCGS.com/cert/82943810)

So these are three distinct Far 6's, each of which can be identified to a specific die pair

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 Posted 03/21/2018  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even if PCGS would put down 1896 far 6 type I'd be happy with that as Okie has mentioned there are more than 1 type of far 6 coin's with different placement of the 6 I think I have 3 or 4 different 1896 far 6's.
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 Posted 02/15/2023  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin14 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1898H Canada Reeded Edge (Regular Strike) Large Cent looks like this:

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PCGS_POP Report:

https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/vict...617972&h=pop
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 Posted 02/15/2023  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, never heard of 1898 reeded edge cent before.
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 Posted 02/15/2023  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin14 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Considering there's only one known in existence..It's probably the Rarest Canadian Large Cent variety. The only other comparable Large Cent (Regular Strike) Reeded Edge coin is the American variety.

PCGS_POP Report:

https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...edge-bn/1383
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 Posted 02/15/2023  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had/have never heard of a reeded edge Vicky cent. I didn't think that the presses and apparati even allowed them to be possible to be made. As a joke ... it doesn't have any Chinese markings on it does it?
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 Posted 02/15/2023  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dollar 1935 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin seems to be genuine, but I wonder if the reeded edge is authentic... the reeded collar used had to have the exact same diameter as a canadian large cent (25.4mm)
PCGS took a big risk by grading this completely undocumented and, so far, unique variety...
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 Posted 02/15/2023  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the weight of this reeded variety ? My bad didn"t look hard enough at PCGS answer is there
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 Posted 02/15/2023  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Curious why they don't list the 1891 sdll and sdsl varieties?
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 Posted 02/15/2023  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread is over 5 years old and the entry with the list of PCGS varieties was submitted by a collector, not PCGS. Btw, the OP of this thread is no longer a member on here. PCGS recognizes all the 1891 varieties.
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 Posted 02/15/2023  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reeding looks a bit suspicious to me. I am not a minting expert, but I don't see how this could happen unless the cent was minted with a collar for another coin. This would not match the quarter or a British shilling. I don't know what else might have been minted in 1898 of this approximate size with reeding but nothing comes to mind.

Now that it is in a holder it can't really be examined properly. So I think trying to sell this coin could prove to be difficult unless the price is much lower than you would expect.

I always ask which is more likely....that this is a forgery or that this is a mysterious mint product that makes little sense. I would guess forgery.
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 Posted 02/15/2023  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin14 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding the 1898H Reeded Edge Large Cent: "This advertising token that was made after 1889 but before 1900.  The Mint could have made these every year or just as needed, so an exact year is not known.  You can see the reeded edge.  The size of this token is 25.7mm and 6.3 grams - just a slight bit larger than a Victorian 1 Cent.  There is also a nickel version and an aluminum version with a reeded edge. #8232;#8232;I also checked in 'A Numismatic History of The Birmingham Mint' by James O. Sweeny to see what other coins were minted by The Birmingham Mint around 1898 that were of similar size & composition of a Canadian 1 Cent piece but had a reeded edge.  They minted Russian Kopeks in 1898.  The 2 Kopecks were copper 24.2mm, 6.6g and also had a reeded edge.  They are not the exact size, but it shows that The Mint Birmingham were minting coins with a reeded edge during the same time period."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Mint

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 Posted 02/15/2023  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reeding on the advertising token does not match your cent photo so that collar was not used.

The photo of the token also shows a typical deep reeding.

Sorry but I think you got lucky with an altered cent and got matched a grader that did not know much about Canadian coins and just wrote what you submitted on the holder without understanding the implications.

I continue to think forgery.
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 Posted 02/15/2023  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin14 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I appreciate your opinions and just wanted to share first hand knowledge on the 1898H Canada Reeded Edge (Regular Strike) Large Cent...Fortunately, many prominent Canadian Coin Dealer's and Specialists were able to examine it before PCGS submission and endorsed authenticity. Very rare coin and in the best holder with plenty of interested buyers.

Happy Hunting!!
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