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 Posted 08/26/2017  1:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This was a tough one. Hubbard O'Harrow's "Hookneck" plate coin ex Jaime Varon. A bittersweet acquisition, now that I completed a general Mexico Republic Type set I don't know where to go.

Like a very smart guy said "the worst thing about a coin collection is completing it."


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 Posted 08/26/2017  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Westwood Arms How about a type set of contemporary counterfeits? I remember talking to Dave O'Harrow a few years ago (ca 2001 - 2002) and he said it was an impossible set to complete if you include the Hookneck issues. I have been hunting for Hookneck counterfeits since and the only examples available are of the 8R. In 15 years since I have been very specifically hunting I have yet to see a contemporary counterfeit Hookneck minor - even one in a private collection. Dave speculated that the 2R would be most difficult to obtain and my presumption was that he either had or knew someone that had the other denominations. Even Iturbides are available (toughest is the 1/2R in my opinion.)
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 08/26/2017  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I completed a general Mexico Republic Type set


@wa, any chance of you posting your whole set for us to oogle?
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 Posted 08/27/2017  06:34 am  Show Profile   Check 999fine's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 999fine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, what's a "hookneck?"
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 Posted 08/28/2017  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
999fine - Hookneck refers to the design used on the eagle in this 2 year series. Also referred to as "El Aguila de Perfil" in Spanish, it was a high relief design that caused striking problems. It was replaced by a design referred to as the facing eagle which is a far more well known design.

In my opinion it is one of the most beautiful designs ever used.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 08/29/2017  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scarce type!

Bob, I would have guessed the 2R 1824Mo hookneck to be the MOST likely minor to receive the CC treatment.
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 Posted 08/29/2017  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
realeswatcher I believed absolutely the same thing. The 2R types in virtually every series are targeted for forgery nearly as often as the 8Rs. I was merely relaying the comment as an example of a coin that Dave believed did not exist. He said he had never seen a contemporary counterfeit Hookneck 2R and doubted they ever existed.

So the rest of the minors may not exist either. I have never seen anything other than the 8R.

My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 08/30/2017  09:33 am  Show Profile   Check 999fine's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 999fine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Swamperbob. Thank you for the hookneck info. I looked them up on the net. Beautiful indeed.
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 Posted 08/31/2017  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Bob, good hearing from you. Not impressed with counterfeits. We were at some bar in Clayton or Garner and I showed you a Mexico portrait 8 reales. You pointed out some discrepancies and I did the whole XRF thing, shame on NGC. That was fun, but it was not a contemporary counterfeit. Gosh, I gave you my last CC a few years ago in Scottsdale, a cap and rays 2 reales .

Right now my pursuits are mainly academic. Helping out Don and Brad, plus a very interesting theory about the migration of symbolism. I like collecting coins, Mexico states copper are interesting, trying to figure out what Santoyo was up to in Sonora, but again it's academic. Don't care for Mexico colonial one, two, or four escudos, and very picky about the eights, also don't care for cobs.

Maybe Brasil? Falo Portuguese
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 Posted 09/01/2017  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess different interests actually drives the whole hobby. If we all like one thing it would be boring and very costly.

I collect Brazilian counterfeits mostly 960Rs struck on off metal flans or struck with forged dies.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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