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A Stunningly Well-made 1907 Gold Eagle ($10) Forgery! Weight: 16.73gm!

 
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 Posted 10/24/2018  10:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A stunningly well-made 1907 Gold Eagle ($10) forgery! Weight: 16.73gm!







This coin seems to be well-struck, made of old and has also the correct weight and even bag-marks.

There are only minimal differences to the authentic issue, it looks and feels well in hand.

I am curious if someone has encountered one of these in the US.
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 Posted 10/24/2018  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmwilson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why do you think it is a fake?

Is it because your scale indicates 16.73 grams instead of 16.72 grams?
Is the edge another problem?

Have you weighed new coins to see if your scale is accurate?
For example, a new (unworn) Washington quarter should weigh 5.67 grams. To see if your scale is accurate, in the same range, try weighing three new Quarters. They should weigh 17.01 grams (17 grams). Also, a new Nickel should weigh 5 grams. So, try three and see if you get 15 grams. Then, you will have checked slightly above and below to see how close your scale is.


I've been told, that in the 1970s, US counterfeit gold was coming out of Lebanon and/or Israel that was correct in composition and correct (or close) in weight. Apparently, these coins are very hard to detect.


Also, have you checked the diameter and thickness? Several coin books have exact size images of the coin in question. You can simply place the coin over the image to check the diameter. Do this with other coins you have to verify. Also, if you have another $10 Liberty, with similar wear, stand them beside each other to check the diameter ... and edge-to-edge to check the thickness. Sometimes rims will wear fast ... so, be careful.

Let us know what you find...
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 Posted 10/24/2018  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just posting a picture of a coin you think is fake is not good enough.

WHY do YOU think it's fake?



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 Posted 10/24/2018  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tell us what makes it a fake. We'd like to know. Otherwise how are we supposed to know?

You've made several posts like this in the past but never explain why it's fake.
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 Posted 10/24/2018  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tootallious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With all of the above!
What red flags have convinced you that said coin is fake? Have you brought it to a coin dealer?

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Did it go through gold acid test? I asked because the red mark around the edge, so did that indicate it is not the correct precentage of gold? If it is gold or not.

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Nobody sane in the numismatic industry would nowadays make an acid test as it damages the coin.

There are only minimal differences if compared to an authentic specimen.

The easiest to spot difference here is the edge.
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I see ... the red mark indicates some type of pen-based acid test. Well, if it didn't pass the chemical test... then it better be much thicker and/or larger in diameter. Because, with the exception being tungsten, other metals are far less dense that gold (ignoring the obvious "other" elements that this coin can't possibly be minted from)....
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So how about showing us the edge vs a real ones edge.

You are not really TELLING and SHOWING us why you say this is fake.
Anyone can come here and claim coins are fake. Present your evidence and why you think this way. I have seen you do this in several other threads as well. Call the coin a fake but present no evidence or reasoning. You could be correct in every instance, but your opinion with no evidence backing is just that - your opinion. So please take these moments to tell us why and possibly educate and enlighten.
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There has been many coins and other items that been acid tested, that is not far fetch and is a fact, may not done by a collector, but going to a pawn shop?

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I'm not seeing what makes this a fake. The surfaces look great. Not sure what's being pointed out about the edges.
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So how about showing us the edge vs a real ones edge.

You are not really TELLING and SHOWING us why you say this is fake.
Anyone can come here and claim coins are fake. Present your evidence and why you think this way. I have seen you do this in several other threads as well. Call the coin a fake but present no evidence or reasoning. You could be correct in every instance, but your opinion with no evidence backing is just that - your opinion. So please take these moments to tell us why and possibly educate and enlighten.
Thanks.


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I couldn't agree more with the consensus! So I'll be blunt here. Stop beating around the bush and please explain yourself!
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