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Poll Question
What ye thinks? Die polishing lines or hairlines from cleaning? 
Edited by MikeF
10/25/2018 9:08 pm
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I voted for die polishing, but I'd really want to see it in person to tell if these are raised or incuse.  Okay, your post edit changed the game.  Now that you specified that 'hairlines' means 'hairlines from cleaning', I'd have to put "neither" as my vote...if I could somehow change it. The way the light is hitting the surfaces makes me think these could be incuse, but they appear too 'orderly' to be from cleaning. Edited by SilverDollar2017
10/25/2018 9:10 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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It's incuse look at the top of the hair.
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Pillar of the Community
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I know, but the fact he said the "hairlines" option is for hairlines resulting from a cleaning now makes me think I should have selected the 'neither' option.
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Pillar of the Community
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The only change I made was changing a typo. I changed the word 'What ye things' in the opening to 'What ye thinks'
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Bedrock of the Community
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Definitely not harsh cleaning lines. I think it was probably something to do with the planchet
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Don't be so worried about being wrong or thinking you are wrong, Silver Dollar. It's just a poll. Nobody is going to jump your case if you're wrong.
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Some lines pass over the devices, so not die polishing lines. They look too coarse and parallel for cleaning hairlines. Maybe roller marks?
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Bedrock of the Community
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My answer is that I think it has both cleaning and die polishing lines.
Some are hairlines from cleaning, they clearly cross the devices, most especially at the head; die polishing lines are usually on the fields, since the devices (raised) on the coin are incuse on the die and not easy to polish mechanically in situ while preserving uniformity of direction with the field lines at the same time. Luster is greatly disturbed, and the fields show metal movement.
Also note the extreme lack of detail in certain areas: the foot, for instance. This is not due to a weak strike.
However, some of the lines around the waist and behind the grain sheaf do appear to be incuse die polishing lines, and they do not cross the devices.
There is a third possibility, which is that the planchet was mechanically ground/polished pre-strike, but the surfaces are not prooflike as would be expected. My only possible theory for this would be if the planchet was a filed-down/sanded-down blank that had been previously struck or discarded without striking and was, for some reason, struck again after obliterating the original design. The thinner planchet that would result could cause the odd relief / lack of detail seen in places.
A shot of the reverse might provide further diagnostic information.
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Paralyse's post actually sums up what I was thinking excellently...I was also curious if reverse pics could be provided. This is not your textbook case of strictly die polishing or strictly cleaning. The lines cross the devices in some areas and in other locations they don't. Wondering if this could be as a result of a sanded down planchet before the strike as well. Quote:
Don't be so worried about being wrong or thinking you are wrong, Silver Dollar. It's just a poll. Nobody is going to jump your case if you're wrong. I know that. I'm just getting input from other members about what I'm seeing. Also...if you do not wish for me to post in this poll any further...I will not.  |
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Also...if you do not wish for me to post in this poll any further...I will not Where did you draw that from anything I said? Actually don't answer. Of course your comments are more than welcome on this post. |
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Okay, thanks...I must have took your earlier post the wrong way.  Out of curiosity, I'd like to see some reverse pics - this coin has me intrigued Edited by SilverDollar2017
10/25/2018 11:21 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Sort of ruins the looks of the coin regardless of reason.
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These look like draw bench marks to me. Got this from the web after seeing it explained in a youtube video a few months ago.:
These were originally thought to be lines resulting from debris "scoring" the metal strips before the blanks were cut. However, new research has pointed to the final step of strip preparation, the draw bench. To reduce the strips to proper thickness, the final step was to pass them through the draw bench.
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Pillar of the Community
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Learn something new. Draw bench marks. Unless coining method hasn't change from the time this one got struck, I though it has something to do to the planchet itself.
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Pillar of the Community
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Tihe coin has roller marks on the planchet. It may have some die polish lines. The coin may have been cleaned, but the majority of the lines do not appear to be from cleaning because how straight and close the lines are to the details.
Edited by Slider23
10/26/2018 1:30 pm
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