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Hello From Anza California - 1917 Lincoln Severe De-lamination

 
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 Posted 10/30/2018  01:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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My name is Dan and I live in California. I have been a collector since 1959. In the early 80's I was forced to sell off most of my silver coins, but kept nickels and cent collections and vintage coins.
My Mom worked at Disneyland for 32 years, she would bring home coins EVERY night, sometime just one, but most times 5 or more. She collected Morgan and Peace Silver Dollars and over the course of Her 32 years, she collected OVER 100 silver dollars. Mostly common, BUT she only paid a dollar each. Many are near mint. My Mom is now 91 years old and doing great.
I would guess the rarest coin she brought me, was a 1921 D Mercury dime. Keep in mind that also only cost Her 10 cents.
Over the course of my collecting and my Mom's we have accumulated thousands of Lincoln Cents. Looking through a roll tonight I found an oddity I would like some input on, and to share it with you. It's a 1917 plain.
I look forward to sharing and learning along the way.
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 Posted 10/30/2018  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
...to the Community!

I feel your pain regarding having to sell stuff off. It really stinks but you had to do what you had to do. A lot of us have been down that road.

It's great that your Mom is "still with us" and that she was able to collect coins during her time at Disneyland. Oh...if those coins could only talk!

As far as your cent goes it almost looks like some type of glue residue on the reverse. The obverse just looks damaged. A soak in acetone might help.

I'm sure others will chime in. Again, welcome to the CCF and we look forward to your active participation!
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 Posted 10/30/2018  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Westernsky;

The markings are into the surface of the coin. If I turn the coin sideways, Where the lines go to the edge, they continue around the side, especially the spot by the olive branch at the lower right of the coin, I could actually insert something into the groove and possibly lift part of the coin away, which I don't plan to do but I could.
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I would like to add an additional photo of a straight on shot of the rim of the coin. Notice the lines extend over the edge of the coin.

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 Posted 10/31/2018  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it is delamination of the metal?
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I still think that it is Post Strike Damage ( PSD).
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 Posted 10/31/2018  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wrongnumber to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome! Have you tried to soak it in acetone to see if it's glue? To me looks like some kind of planchette flaw/delamination. Close sharper pics of some areas of the reverse would help.
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It might be a struck through a part of a split off from another coin and is staring to peel off slowly? What is the weight? If over a bit, that may give us an answer? Also a closer view of the the affected reverse areas. (But the obverse screams out, PSD!)
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 Posted 11/02/2018  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Panther to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Errers;

I'm curious what PSD could cause the lines to extend around the edge of the coin also ?

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Going to throw another theory out there.
Is it possible the coin was at one time varnished?
Those cracks on the reverse could be from the varnish drying out over the years
and the marks on the obverse from chips in the surface.
I know at one time some collectors used to varnish their coins to protect them.
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Dan,
You may want to PM Mike.
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