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1865 3 Cent Piece DDO?

 
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 Posted 02/01/2019  5:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




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 Posted 02/01/2019  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Check collectinsince65's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add collectinsince65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I see what you are referring to in the fields both obverse and reverse it appears to be a clashed die. very nice
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 Posted 02/01/2019  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die clash for sure.
They always grab my attention.
Describe it as if there were no picture.
Picture it as if there were no description.
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 Posted 02/01/2019  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The die clash for sure, but what about the doubling in "AMERICA"?
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 Posted 02/02/2019  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ItchyN to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The doubling on America looks like Strike Doubling to me. Not a doubled die.
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 Posted 02/02/2019  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree the doubling is Machine Doubling. AS for the die clash I see at least two possibly three sets of clashmarks..
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 Posted 02/02/2019  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Machine Doubling. I was looking for Longacre doubling but not in this case.
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 Posted 02/13/2019  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
heavy die clash, and nope, not a Doubled Die
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 Posted 02/13/2019  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 70Shark to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, heavy die clash.
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 Posted 02/14/2019  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So what's the difference between the doubling evident on my example (above) and the doubling evident on this coin:




This one is pulled straight from the PCGS website where it's a recognized variety.

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 Posted 02/15/2019  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well the PCGS pictures aren't very good, but frankly that looks like Machine Doubling as well. And it also possible that PCGS has blown the variety attribution as well. Just because the TPG says it is some variety doesn't mean it is right. We have seen a lot of misattributions in slabs.
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 Posted 02/15/2019  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Condor101 in these PCGS photos the coin doesn't look like a DDO, but on the coin on the PCGS site, directly with the magnifier turned on going over the obverse the coin does indeed appear to be a DDO, just a minor one though. You can see it best on the AMERICA lettering.

https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...-003-5/38300

Wonderful multiple struck die clashes though. Look really carefully at the serif on the C in AMERICA you can see complete separation of the top of the C on the PCGS example, where HGK3's coin does appear to resemble Machine Doubling.

Can't say conclusively from the photos, I would need to see coin in hand, as the the contrast of the B&W photos just isn't good enough to see the depth of the doubling.

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I'm new to these coins, so I'm learning. Please bear with me.

I agree that in general the doubling has that flat, shelf like appearance typically associated with Machine Doubling.

However, I've read one of the hallmarks of MD is that it reduces the size of the device. If you look at the first A in America there doesn't appear to be any doubling and the vertical element on the left doesn't appear any larger than the same vertical element on the last A in America, which clearly is doubled.

While the clashing is nice, I understand that it was so common it doesn't really add much premium. Somewhere I read that non clashed varieties are actually hard to find for some dates.
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 Posted 02/15/2019  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Which variety did PCGS attribute that one too? My gut still says MD but I would like to compare it to other known instances of that variety.
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 Posted 02/16/2019  02:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check here - https://archive.org/details/guideus...rd/page/n46. There's 70 pages of 1865 varieties. Double, triple, quadruple die clashes, Longacre doubling, etc. Yours also seems to have something in U, O, and first A in America.
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