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Help Please - Which S Do I Have? 1881-S Morgan

 
 
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 Posted 03/12/2019  3:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is it set left and tilted R or just Tilted R?

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...1-S_Reverses

Does it look like a Doubled S?

Thank you for your time.





Edited by CoinCents
03/12/2019 4:32 pm
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 Posted 03/12/2019  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Check Jadey's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say MM set left, possibly tilted right. I do not see any doubling on the S, but it is not that clear in the picture. The stars appear to be Machine Doubling, which is a characteristic of the strike, and not the Die. That's my amateur opinion.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NDBirdman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I'm seeing at the moment is:
18 III2 4 - C3i (S/S Down) (?) I-2 R-3
Obverse III2 4- Die chip between the loops on the right of the first 8 with a short die chip at top left inside of upper loop, surface doubling on bottom outside of lower loop and tripled on top left inside of lower loop. First 1 doubled slightly below upper crossbar. Second 1 doubled slightly on left side of shaft.
But I'm not see'n the definition in maroon? (Having a hard time seeing right now, been up since before the cows... LOL)

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...881-S_VAM-18
Rookie with bad eyes, take what I say with a grain of salt and call an expert in the morning!
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03/12/2019 5:45 pm
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Thank you birdman that is great - I actually had the pages open for VAM17 & VAM19 and wow it may be the one in between

The DDD that I put on the pic is for Die Deterioration Doubling (which there is a ton of on the cents and the new quarters)

http://www.error-ref.com/?s=die+det...ion+doubling

How can I learn what these things mean?

Quote:
18 III2 4 - C3i (S/S Down) (?) I-2 R-3
Obverse III2 4



As always Jadey - thanks for replying. It look like a big die chip in the middle of the S - and this coin is like a mirror so almost impossible getting any good images.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Check Jadey's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those numbers identify the VAM, Obverse Hub Type (masters from which dies are made), Obverse Die identifier, Reverse Hub Type, Reverse Die identifier, Brief description of the VAM, number of reeds on the edge, Interest Level, Rarity Level.

Go to the VAM Introduction page and scroll down to just below the Heading "Reading the VAM Pages". There is a table that coincidentally uses 1881S as an example.

Then, scroll further down the page to "Other Things You'll Observe" and read the difference between Strike Doubling vs Doubled Dies. I'm pretty sure your stars are exhibiting Strike Doubling.
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