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The Coolest Overdate Ever: The 1817/3 Bust Half Dollar

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I personally love this overdate and think it is the coolest overdate ever minted. It has often been admired for the distinction of the 3 under the 7, but the really cool part is how the error came about.

The U.S. Mint was going through troubled times during its early years. A lack of resources to strike coins on and make planchets from is visible in early federal coinage. In 1816, a huge fire broke out which destroyed most of the mint and halted the coining of silver and gold coins.

The mint's struggles can be seen in the capped bust half dollar series. 1815 featured a mere 47,150 coins struck, and (largely due to the fire) no coins were struck in 1816. The first half dollars struck in 1817 were the 1817/3 and 1817/4 varieties. The 1817/4 is virtually unattainable, as there are currently 9 coins in existence. The 1817/3, while being a tough and expensive coin in higher grades, is relatively available.

I currently own two 1817/3 overdates. One of them is a significantly earlier die state than the other, as evidenced by the strength of the underlying 3. Also, while both look at first glance to be VG/F coins, the consensus among bust half experts I have talked to is that both are choice VF coins.

A couple of close ups here really accentuate the strength of the overdate:

The-Coolest-Overdate-Ever:-The-1817/3-Bust-Half-Dollar
The-Coolest-Overdate-Ever:-The-1817/3-Bust-Half-Dollar

As you can see, the top coin clearly has a much stronger 3. But even in a relatively late die state, the bottom coin still has a much stronger overdate than most of the other overdates ever produced.

And here's a couple of pictures of the entire coins. Notice how the 3 just jumps out at you, especially in the top coin.
The-Coolest-Overdate-Ever:-The-1817/3-Bust-Half-Dollar
The-Coolest-Overdate-Ever:-The-1817/3-Bust-Half-Dollar
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Congratulations on those beautiful coins! I too am a huge fan of overdates and OMM's. One of my favorite coins in my collection is a 1918/7-D Buffalo nickel PCGS VG10. It has a bold strong overdate. Stronger than most fines I've seen. These halves are very cool! Thanks for the history as well.
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 Posted 10/25/2008  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Beautiful! Thanks for showing, they are special.

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Very nice overdate! I like seeing the comparison between the two; very distinct!
The CBH overdate I currently have is the 1829/1827.
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I love it. Wish I had one.

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That is a unique coin. I have yet to see such a clear overdate.
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 Posted 10/26/2008  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a very cool overdate, and I simply adore the look of that second bustie. Sweet!
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 Posted 10/26/2008  07:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinGeek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gotta agree with the opinion on the second one. The toning really sets off the design.
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Those are two very nice overdate CBHs!
My Favorite is the second one, too, for the same reason - the beautiful original skin!
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2nd one very niceeee I wish I had one
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Very nice. Love that strong unmistakable overdate.
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Very neat, and I can appreciate your startig a hoard of them.
Now onto #3.
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 Posted 10/27/2008  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice!

Until I came to CCF, I never really paid much attention to the Bust coinage (other than knowing I will eventually need them for my 7070). When I was at a coin show this weekend I started to really look at them, especially the Half Dollars.

If only I had the budget...
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The U.S. Mint was going through troubled times during its early years. A lack of resources to strike coins on and make planchets from is visible in early federal coinage. In 1816, a huge fire broke out which destroyed most of the mint and halted the coining of silver and gold coins.

The fire was confined to a single building, but it was the building the rolling mills were housed in. Until the building and the rolling mill could be replaced no gold or silver could be coined. (Copper was coined on imported planchets so no rolling of copper had to take place.) The Mint also used that time for some upgrades and improvements. One of which was the addition of steam power to the rolling mill. Up until 1815 the rolling mill was powered by muscle power from horse or oxen. After 1815 it was powered by a steam engine of I believe 5 horsepower.


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That is a unique coin. I have yet to see such a clear overdate.

Try the 1807/6 large cent. Either the large or small 7 over 6. In both cases there was no attempt to remove or weaken the 6 and the both full digits show. Here is a mediocre picture of one.
The-Coolest-Overdate-Ever:-The-1817/3-Bust-Half-Dollar
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 Posted 10/28/2008  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
condor:
That small date (7) will cost a bundle.
Neat overdate.
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very interesting thread.
Great photos for the comparison and a good history lesson.
Very nice coins as well -
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