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1909 Matte Proof Lincoln?

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 Posted 09/21/2020  10:17 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 09/21/2020  11:16 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will add that often times die markers are useless on coins like this as they are circulated and it can be hard to see them. In these cases I tend to go by the overall appearance of the coin presented. Matte proofs are proofs, and as such have a level of detail not found on even the best of business strikes. Personally, I believe this is a well struck business strike.
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 Posted 09/21/2020  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks nss55 and grapecollects. I'm still gathering as much info as possible from anywhere its available. For me its hard to confirm or deny without definitive info. I think I read that die #2 has been confirmed so I'm confused. All obverse dies were the same as the vdb I guess and reverse I don't know. Some info online is conflicting to me
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 Posted 09/22/2020  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The right shape but grape knows his proofs from my experience.
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 Posted 09/22/2020  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No argument here. I'm glad to have knowledgeable people give their time and insight whether right or wrong. I look at it as getting more information to make a more informed decision.
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 Posted 09/22/2020  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The strike is easy to see on side by side images:



The strike is doubled on the matte proof coins. The strike stands out a lot more on them.

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 Posted 09/22/2020  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop. What's your opinion on this one? From your photos looks like I have a matte proof. The tell tale sign on this would be the polished die remnants from the die being polished near the rim. Business strike has no luster in this or any area. This original luster cannot be from a regular business strike according to these photos imo. What say you?
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 Posted 09/22/2020  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Pay close attention to the shiny area near the rim. This is not business strike luster imo. At the same time keep in mind I'm no expert so I could be wrong. Thanks coop
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 Posted 09/23/2020  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a business strike. Not a matte proof. Look at the strength of the strikes? The double strike causes the devices to have a very strong look. Yours is just a normal cent.
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 09/23/2020  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop. I think you all are right. Strike isn't strong enough. Thanks for all the help
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