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Toned ASE—this One May Have Gotten Past PCGS

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 Posted 10/28/2020  10:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I know ASE's can tone in interesting colors, but the pastels on this one caught my eye. It's super cool if it's real, all the way down to the shower of "pixie dust" Ms. Liberty is scattering down the side of the obverse. I dunno about 116X the market value cool, but it's definitely the kind of coin that toner lovers will pay a big premium for.

But am I the only one who thinks that target toning on the reverse pretty much screams AT? Looks to me like someone applied heat. Not sure what made PCGS pass this one.
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 Posted 10/28/2020  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a stupid price for a modern piece of junk that fakers love to experiment with.
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 Posted 10/28/2020  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The price is too high but I think the toning is legit.
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 Posted 10/28/2020  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ASE's are really beautiful coins, but I like coins that were meant to be circulated—preferably more than 100 years ago.
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 Posted 10/29/2020  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my untrained eye,that looks like AT= artificial toning.
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 Posted 10/29/2020  07:35 am  Show Profile   Check Foxwoods Man's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love toned ASE's BUT this one looks like it had a fight with a blowtorch....and lost
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 Posted 10/29/2020  07:40 am  Show Profile   Check omxfl's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add omxfl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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And yes, this looks like a blowtorch to me too.
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 Posted 10/29/2020  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to look at it this way, if it weren't for people sending modern bullion coins for grading the cost to grade worthy classic coins would likely skyrocket. I'll bet bullion keeps the lights on...

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 Posted 10/29/2020  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A little ridiculous for PCGS to pass this thru . I'm leaning towards AT .
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 Posted 10/29/2020  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave700x LOL. I would definitely get a 1995W or last year's 2019S reverse proofs slabbed. Probably also a truly spectacular toner, to lend weight to the authenticity of the toning. I know people who specifically collect ASE toners, and the premiums really are huge.

Otherwise, I really don't get why anyone does it, but yeah, let's keep that REALLY quiet.
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 Posted 10/30/2020  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stupid price for almost any modern.

Oh wait... Coinfrog already said that.
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 Posted 10/31/2020  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The toning has the appearance of AT to me as well, but the spots by the sun
make me think it's legit. I have no idea how that toning was created naturally.
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 Posted 11/02/2020  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its had 25 years. possible it's legit toning from poor storage, or a set up to tone situation, but the time is there for it to have happened naturally.

my issue with it really is the sellers other items have outlandish toning also, which has me at "suspect" for everything as artificial regardless of the age, especially that rainbow toned 1883 cent.


Also, if you check that listing for the 1883 cent it becomes obvious the seller is enhancing the pictures too. there's no picture of it on the cert lookup,

But its like a $50 coin tops, so his asking price means he's less than scrupulous to begin with....

http://americansilvereaglecoinsms.i...n-fl3-01.php

No history of it for sale on PCGS so no way to follow the history beyond that website I linked that shows it and says they got it in 2015.
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This cert is currently in a user's private Set Registry Inventory"

it's not worth $5000. not by a long shot.

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 Posted 11/02/2020  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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it's not worth $5000. not by a long shot.


The morgans look legit. Some stores focus in on toners because they know people pay a premium for the colors (they're asking for pretty hefty premiums, but maybe someone has that kind of money to burn). That said, the bright yellow on the 1883 cent (also shows up on the raw photo) looks 'off" to me. Could just be inexperience—I haven't seen that color on Indian Head cents; doesn't mean it never happens.

If you want to see wild colors, check out the Jhon E Cash site..

Some toners look pretty mangy head-on, but angle them against the light and they just light up. PCGS, Heritage, and some other sites like to do some fancy photographic trick that captures and shows the color (the way they flatten it out looks kind of fake to me, but the colors they show are actually there).
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 Posted 11/02/2020  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you want to see wild colors, check out the Jhon E Cash site..

That is a great site with a lot of good information regarding toned Morgan dollars. I've had it bookmarked for quite a while now.

Do check out the Simpson/ Sunnywood collection as well. https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/do...allery/71635
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 Posted 11/02/2020  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another thing about this coin that doesn't seem right. The smooth, gradual transitions of the toning on the obverse is usually from storage against a surface (like an envelope) that has sulfur or something similar in it, right? But the "target toning" on the reverse is more like you'd see if it's been in an album or maybe the end of a pre-formed coin roll (do they even put ASE's in coin rolls?). How would this coin have to have been stored for it to tone naturally like this?
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