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1884-S Morgan Dollar Grading Skills Needed - First Coin I Sent To NGC

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 Posted 10/30/2020  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would also have to say UNC Details based on the last set of photos
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 Posted 10/30/2020  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CapeCoralCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thx for your opinions, so we agree it's Uncirculated.

I was just comparing the obverse to some of my ms63 or 64 straight graded coins and I still don't really see any significant difference. but maybe my 5x magnifier isn't enough for judgement.

I'm a beginner at grading so this is just my view.

and... Polished in my understanding is different than cleaned, at least that's what the NGC grading info tells!?

Any other opinions from the professionals here?

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 Posted 10/30/2020  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, the updated photos are better. Now I'd say Unc details, polished. Polishing is a form of abrasive cleaning.
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 Posted 10/30/2020  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1884-S Morgan dollars, RARELY IF EVER, get slabbed "Unc" by any of the major grading services.

You see them all day long in XF and AU grades. Many of those have been cleaned (or conserved) too!

An AU coin can be had for a couple of hundred bucks and up.. Any true UNC 60 or up slabbed 1884-S coin will set you back serious bucks..... 7k$ and up!

True Unc coins are tough!

Your coin is most likely AU 53 to 55'ish in my opinion with the better pics. It is not "Unc".
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 Posted 10/31/2020  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Likely AU details based on the new images.
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 Posted 10/31/2020  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU Details cleaned
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 Posted 10/31/2020  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at this again. I'm in the fence between AU/UNC Details. Still can't get a good feel for the surfaces based on the pics so I'm tapping out.

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 Posted 10/31/2020  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sure wish the obverse photo was a little better as it can mean the difference between AU and UNC. based on the photos provided the obverse looks like it was cleaned. I cant see any circulation markers on the reverse. I would say UNC details
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Dear All, thank you so much for your input. I know it's tough to grade just by pictures (which I had to cut down due to the 300kb size restrictions).

I really appreciate your help on the grading, so it's time to reveal the true NGC grade - They graded it AU Details, cleaned.

To me that is totally nonsense, as there are exact zero circulation markers anywhere on the coin. If I take my ANA grading Standards book, this is definitely Uncirculated.

As I said I'm relatively new to the grading stuff, but comparing my coin to other graded coins, this should be Unc (Details)

Then cleaning is very light on the Obv, and I've seen worse cleaned coins in MS63 holders.

I guess it's because the graders know this is a 5 figure coin in its straight grade so they tend more to a Details grading than on a common date. Could this be the case? (wouldn't make sense)

Does anybody have an idea on how to dispute this specific grading at NGC?

I own a AU58 1884s by NGC which looks way worse by comparison (circulation signs, as well as scratches and nicks) - Especially the hairlines and feathers are very well defined on the discussed coin IMO.

but of course I could be wrong...
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 Posted 10/31/2020  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Circled is the area in question for me, but can't judge well from this pic. After pulling it up in my computer, it's certainly shows enough light scratches and tics to reasonably assume it saw some light circulation.

The big problem, to me, between AU and UNC details, especially in a case like this where it very obviously looks polished, is you don't have much original surfaces on the coin. If you've polished a coin, even lightly it's no longer Uncirculated. Take a MS66 and polish it and it should be automatic AU Details. IMO.

Edit: I think they're call was fair, but you can always dispute it with them. This would involve sending it back and paying them to reevaluate. Just need to contact CS. I personally wouldn't spend the time and money on that though.
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 Posted 10/31/2020  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i was having a hard time between AU and UNC. I agree with Ty2020b the area noted appears to have been polished and as soon as I saw the photo thats the first thing that jumped out at me. whatever caused it, the surfaces do not appear to be original. I agree with NGC
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