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12 Coin Grades Are In For Those Of You Who Have Been Curious (Ms-67)

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 Posted 12/13/2021  5:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add grospoisson to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Well guys, somehow I must have forgot what the heck I was doing. I could have sworn that I had put 67 as minimum grade but apparently, I didn't. All coins came back ms-66(um?) except one that was ms-65 (1968-p) . I know it's hard to get a ms-66 1966 Lincoln ,but both made it and not SMS, 5 1973-d are all ms-66 and two 1969-d and one 1975-d and one 1971 Lincoln. I will have to see what made them 66 instead of 67. Thanks for all the advice, I am getting closer.
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 Posted 12/13/2021  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds like you're spending a lot of money grading common coins. Just hoping for a bingo?
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 Posted 12/13/2021  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's been an adventure so far.
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 Posted 12/13/2021  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think we need to take away your access to third party graders. You need an intervention.
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 Posted 12/13/2021  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@gros, I'm not much of a grader myself, but this seems like a really good way to re-calibrate your eye. Look for and perhaps even count the small contact marks on the fields and rims. My thought is that you can turn this into a learning opportunity so that the next coins you submit will be more likely to grade as you expect.
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 Posted 12/13/2021  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grospoisson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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[/Sounds like you're spending a lot of money grading common coins. Just hoping for a bingo? ]

How right you are! it's like playing the slots at the casino. You keep saying it's about to pay off and you continue to say it. It never does! The chase is fun for me. I will continue to submit until I am able to submit some 67's. It's you guys who have helped me with my grading skills. I do see an improvement. On the bright side I am trying to complete a 66 or better Lincoln set up to 2021 and beyond. I am keeping track of the different years that I need. Out of curiosity, type in ms-66 Lincolns 1973-d ,1966, 1969-d, 1971, 1975-d and see if you can buy one for 20 sdollars or less (including shipping). These 12 Lincolns cost me 241$ that's including return shipping and handling (oh, I forgot 9 dollars to ship to PCGS). Granted I did send duplicate dates this time because I really thought I had several 67's in there. I will be able to use these to find out what I missed. Future submissions will all be different dates I that I need for my collection. Coinfrog (you have been very helpful with sound and honest advice) My question to you (sent with gentle affect) is Where can I find raw older wheats that have not been altered in some way? Truly ebay is my only source to purchase coins. When I say I have no LCD'S within 100 miles of me, I am understating that fact. I will have to make a weekend trip to Florida or farther to maybe find something I might be able to submit. I am able to get my hands on OBW ROLLS from 1950 to the present. I am enjoying the chase. Please keep posting with good advice. There are at least 8 ccf members who have been guiding me along. This means the world to me. merry Christmas to all you guys. BIGFISH ( ps your comment about common date Lincolns is so true but 67 Lincolns from the 60's and 70's are harder to find than 40's and 50's). THAT SLOT MACHINE IS ABOUT TO HIT LOL One last thing and probably my biggest mistake is that I search for PCGS pictures of ms-67 wheats and there are lots of them and most have more contact marks than I see on coins I submit. This confuses me!
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[/I think we need to take away your access to third party graders. You need an intervention.]

My wife came into the room looking at me then said what the heck are you laughing so loud for! Hfjacinto you may be on to something! It is addictive!
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 Posted 12/13/2021  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sirguardian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a comment on this: there are those who pursue this field for monetary gain and those who collect for the history. One... can never fault the other in my eye. just me
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 Posted 12/13/2021  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Want to "train your eye" to see the difference between MS66 and MS67? Go to eBay and purchase the MS67 PCGS and study it.
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 Posted 12/13/2021  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't put so much confidence in the grading of TPG's . There have been many accounts of them sleeping at the wheel so to speak with either over grading or under grading . I for one do not buy slabbed coins and if I did it would only be for authenticity . Put your money back in your wallet or donate it to charity .

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 Posted 12/13/2021  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with what T-Bop, 3rd party been hit and misses, wouldn't be surprise if the same one that you resubmit gets a MS67, not that you should. Going to a large show or two and spend time searching and learning, save your wallet also sometime.

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 Posted 12/13/2021  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin shops? Consider taking a road trip to Dallas or Houston (or both).
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 Posted 12/13/2021  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Check BadThad's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We've already had this discussion - but there are some wise members on this forum I agree with. You're buying scratch offs at this point.

That said, you can at least recoup some grading fees by selling the ones you don't want. If you do well on those, then it was a fairly cheap lesson.


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One last thing and probably my biggest mistake is that I search for PCGS pictures of ms-67 wheats and there are lots of them and most have more contact marks than I see on coins I submit. This confuses me!


Learn this, pictures cannot be fully trusted. They are merely representations of the truth. Coin collecting isn't about grading pictures, it's about holding and seeing a coin yourself. Only then can you really determine the grade (with experience) and most importantly - the eye appeal. Something pictures cannot tell you. A lot of minor imperfections, as long as they are not too distracting, are forgiven with great eye appeal and luster.
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 Posted 12/14/2021  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't ANACS offer a grading class you can take?
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 Posted 12/14/2021  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Doesn't ANACS offer a grading class you can take?
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Not so sure about ANACS but the ANA does.

There was a sponsored one locally led by Bob Mellor ( PCGS) and it was very helpful. One of the biggest things was looking for that cartwheel luster and not using a loupe very often. Not using the loupe very often was stressed many times. Using a loupe was reserved for varieties, clarifying a visual anomaly, higher grade coins, or for verifying real vs. fake.

It was enlightening.
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 Posted 12/14/2021  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Petespocketts55 -- I like the observation regrading use of loupes (and by inference, magnification).
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