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1883 Indian Head Cent Business Or Proof Strike?

 
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 Posted 05/12/2022  12:38 am Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Nobody bid on this 1883 Indian cent, so I gladly put a bid down and purchased this for $55.05. It looked like a business strike in the seller's photos. Receiving it in hand today, I realize that the luster is very minimal on the obverse, but still looks original. The reverse has little to no luster at all. In my eyes, this is either a dipped out/problem business strike, or a proof strike. Things to note: the color is even on the obverse, Longacre doubling is evident, and there is a die crack touching the F in OF that continues through AM in AMERICA. They made over 6,000 proofs this year.

Reasons for this to be a business strike:
1. Not proof quality (mirror fields, square rims, sharp strike, etc.)

Reasons for this to be a proof strike:
1. The original listing was under the "proof set" category (that is why nobody bid on it, it didn't come up on Indian Head cent searches)
2. I believe "proof" was written in the upper right-hand corner of the 2x2 before it was crossed out
3. The lack of blazing luster found on unc strikes looks original, the coin doesn't appear to have been messed with

***If you are really feeling it, throw out a grade. I had a difficult time taking photos of this coin, so the pictures aren't crystal. Try your best! The pictures don't do the coin justice, it looks fantastic in hand. Thanks to all in advance!






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 Posted 05/12/2022  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it is a proof.

I think it would be a candidate for 64+ R&B.
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 Posted 05/12/2022  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is tough without seeing in hand. I agree with the first comment that from these images it looks like a circulation strike.
I'll say a full MS65RB.
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 Posted 05/12/2022  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree not a clear call, but I'll say MS-64RB.
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 Posted 05/12/2022  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great strike, but the letters and date look too rounded to be a proof. I'd say MS-65RB.
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 Posted 05/12/2022  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse might hold it to BN rather than RB.
Describe it as if there were no picture.
Picture it as if there were no description.
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 Posted 05/12/2022  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sharp strike MS-65+RB. Not a proof .

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 Posted 05/12/2022  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrhakfbacon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS64+RB, possibly BN
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 Posted 05/12/2022  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the comments. What makes you think this is a business strike, just rounded letters and date numerals?

I wish I was in the position to send this in to PCGS, it would make a fun learning experience. I don't want to wait for months to see this coin again, I'd rather just sell it as is. As I've heard before on this forum, a fast nickel is better than a slow dime.
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 Posted 05/12/2022  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It just doesn't have the zip/flash/oomph that I usually see in proofs from that era.

If it were mine, and I was that curious about it, I'd box it up and send it off to ANACS for a grading opinion. That's how we learn things. Not sure what their current turnaround time or costs are but you can always call and ask and snag a submission form.

You can always get an opinion of the coin at a local show IF any of the grading services reps are present and are accepting submissions / offering opinions.

Good luck whatever you do!
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 Posted 05/12/2022  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a proof, - lack of a square edge.
However, I can understand why it otherwise appears as a proof, without an obvious radial mint luster.
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