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1979-S SBA Dollar Struck Through Dime Error

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This was a recent auction purchase. I believe it's a SBA dollar with the reverse struck through a dime (probably a minted dime rather than a blank planchet because of the visible reeding). I can't see any evidence of a brockage. Since the ghost image of the eagle is pretty visible, and the size of the indented area is somewhat larger than a dime, I'm wondering if this was a second or third strike through a die cap (with the dime stuck to the reverse die), resulting in thinning of the dime planchet. I'm not sure how this should be described. I don't think it's an indent error because it doesn't appear to be struck through a blank planchet. Would it be a considered a SBA reverse struck through a dime, or a late stage capped die from a struck dime?

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Almost appears like a mint employee assisted error to me...
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A pretty neat piece but I would have to agree, there may be some funny business going on at the mint.
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Fantastic error! It is possible that it could happen with a dime stuck in a hopper or trapped somewhere else in the process, but it could be another "Mint Fiction" intentionally struck by a dishonest mint employee.

Either way, you have a great coin that I wish I had in my collection! I'm jealous in the extreme!
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It's certainly possible that it's mint employee-assisted, but I lean towards this being an unintentional error. It's conceivable how this might happen just by chance, and I think employee mischief usually results in more bizarre errors than this.
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I lean towards this being an unintentional error.
I disagree. We'll never know for sure' but things like this just don't routinely happen on their own. I suspect funny business, but that's just my opinion.
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I guess we'll never know whether it was intentional or not.

But back to the original question. Was this struck through a dime on the first strike, or did the dime stick to the reverse die and cause a strike through a later stage, partially capped die? The only similar errors I could find were labeled by PCGS as struck through a dime planchet or a round object. Probably doesn't really matter, but I was wondering how it would be categorized.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/197.../1154-6187.s

https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/und...ption-071515


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Nice error.
You make a good point about the reeding be present around the struck through.
IMHO, it looks like a 1979 SBA 1$ struck through a dime.

It would be neat to see the mated die cap. What a great presentation they would make together.

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I did a search for a SBA struck on a dime planchet to see if I could find the mated piece, but no luck. Since it would be thinner and larger than a normal dime, it seems unlikely that it would have left the mint.

I'm thinking about getting this slabbed. Any opinion on whether I should request the reverse be on the front side of the slab?
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Note the reeds? That means the coin was already struck and was struck another time post the dime strike. Weight should be normal as the SBA weight. (Planchet weight) Could of been a piece struck through a split planchet coin? (Note the shape of the design is coming through on the reverse)

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I wanted to update this thread and express my frustration with NGC. I had this struck through error attributed at NGC, and they called it struck through a one cent planchet. Although the diameter of the struck through area is slightly larger than either a cent or dime, I suspect that's because the object thinned and spread when the SBA was struck. It makes no sense that this could be struck through a one cent planchet because a Lincoln Cent has no reeding, and even if it did, a blank planchet would also have no reeding.

So I called NGC and explained why this should be labeled as struck through a minted dime, and at first they responded that the label was correct. Then I emailed them and asked how a one cent planchet could leave Reeding Marks on the SBA, and they asked me to send the coin back for re-evaluation. Well, I sent it back to them as instructed, and they returned it a few days later without any changes.

Am I wrong to think that the error attribution is incorrect? It really doesn't make a big difference in the value of the coin, but I'd sort of like the label to correctly describe the error.

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Very nice error coin! Too bad that NGC labeled it incorrectly.
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Error coin has an error label.

At least it denotes an error if not the error.

You tried. At this point I would probably have let it go (the mistake, not the coin).
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Nice coin and photos! I agree the label is wrong but I doubt it affects the value.
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