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1794 $1 Flowing Hair Dollar

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 Posted 11/28/2022  11:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I don't own this one, but what are your thoughts on how this grades? If you know this particular coin, let the rest of us have some fun grading this one for 48 hours.


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 Posted 11/28/2022  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
holy cow batman. is his in the Smithsonian?

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 Posted 11/28/2022  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
numismatic student is up to his usual trickeration! (said with great admiration)
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 Posted 11/28/2022  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure what the trick is in asking folks to give a grading opinion on a coin.
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 Posted 11/28/2022  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 11/28/2022  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denkan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like copper? Guessing 64 in the grade, SP if copper?
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 Posted 11/28/2022  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks as mint state as any of these come. Solid strike which is not typical. I'll assume it's silver, with moderate original toning.
MS-64, maybe? The carbon spots should preclude a gem grade.
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 Posted 11/28/2022  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a good one NS! I'm not letting the cat of the bag. Looking forward to seeing the thoughts of the masses here at CCF!

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 Posted 11/29/2022  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, it's not the one I was thinking of, hyped as the "first ever US dollar" a few years ago (if I remember correctly). Is this is a copper prototype, but with stars? if so... wow.
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 Posted 11/29/2022  05:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Surface color is off. Beautiful coin whatever it is.
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Just to keep track of this post.......65+
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 Posted 11/30/2022  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a strike! SP-65
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 Posted 11/30/2022  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Copper pattern Dollar on display at the Smithsonian is my
guess.
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 Posted 11/30/2022  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's been 48 hours... I found it, amazing.
Edit: I don't know how you would grade something like this.
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 Posted 11/30/2022  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is indeed a special coin. The 1794 dollars were struck using only one die pair.

There is a unique pattern 1794 dollar struck with an obverse die with no stars which was in the Bob Simpson collection and is highly corroded. That die was not used to strike the Mint issued business strikes.

The coin in this thread is also a unique pattern struck in copper but this one matches exactly the early die state of the Neil/Carter SP66 graded 1794 dollar that sold for over $10 million. The Neil/Carter Mint plugged 1794 dollar is believed to be the first U.S. silver dollar produced by our nation. The reason why this is thought to be true is because the early die characteristics of that coin were matched to the coin in the first post in this thread. It rightfully belongs in our national coin collection.

The subject coin in this thread is believed to be the first striking of the die pair that produced every single 1794 dollar that the U.S. Mint produced as coinage.

As far as a grade, it should be SP66 or better but there appear to be some areas with slight pitting in the copper planchet so I would say SP64 as I cannot bring myself to say it is gem.

But this does not detract at all from what is likely the first striking from the only known die pair for one of the most important coins in our history. As a bonus, this does not appear to be a coin that the Smithsonian botched in handling and appears to be preserved in pristine condition.

P.S. I don't think I was trying to trick anyone (although some will disagree). I just thought it would be fun to apply our grading skills onto a cool, historically significant coin.

Thanks to all who participated in this grading challenge.
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