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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
11/28/2022 11:40 am
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holy cow batman. is his in the Smithsonian?
AU58 or MS63. I'm going with MS63
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numismatic student is up to his usual trickeration! (said with great admiration)
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Not sure what the trick is in asking folks to give a grading opinion on a coin.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
11/28/2022 2:24 pm
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that notices NS tricks. He will deny it of course  You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Looks like copper? Guessing 64 in the grade, SP if copper?
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Looks as mint state as any of these come. Solid strike which is not typical. I'll assume it's silver, with moderate original toning.
MS-64, maybe? The carbon spots should preclude a gem grade.
The price might easily exceed $2,000,000.
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That's a good one NS! I'm not letting the cat of the bag. Looking forward to seeing the thoughts of the masses here at CCF!
Y'all don't search too hard on the usual auction sites. It last sold in the early 1950's!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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OK, it's not the one I was thinking of, hyped as the "first ever US dollar" a few years ago (if I remember correctly). Is this is a copper prototype, but with stars? if so... wow.
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Surface color is off. Beautiful coin whatever it is.
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Just to keep track of this post.......65+
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Copper pattern Dollar on display at the Smithsonian is my
guess.
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It's been 48 hours... I found it, amazing.
Edit: I don't know how you would grade something like this.
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11/30/2022 2:03 pm
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This is indeed a special coin. The 1794 dollars were struck using only one die pair. There is a unique pattern 1794 dollar struck with an obverse die with no stars which was in the Bob Simpson collection and is highly corroded. That die was not used to strike the Mint issued business strikes. The coin in this thread is also a unique pattern struck in copper but this one matches exactly the early die state of the Neil/Carter SP66 graded 1794 dollar that sold for over $10 million. The Neil/Carter Mint plugged 1794 dollar is believed to be the first U.S. silver dollar produced by our nation. The reason why this is thought to be true is because the early die characteristics of that coin were matched to the coin in the first post in this thread. It rightfully belongs in our national coin collection. The subject coin in this thread is believed to be the first striking of the die pair that produced every single 1794 dollar that the U.S. Mint produced as coinage. As far as a grade, it should be SP66 or better but there appear to be some areas with slight pitting in the copper planchet so I would say SP64 as I cannot bring myself to say it is gem. But this does not detract at all from what is likely the first striking from the only known die pair for one of the most important coins in our history. As a bonus, this does not appear to be a coin that the Smithsonian botched in handling and appears to be preserved in pristine condition. P.S. I don't think I was trying to trick anyone (although some will disagree). I just thought it would be fun to apply our grading skills onto a cool, historically significant coin. Thanks to all who participated in this grading challenge. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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