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Collecting the American Silver Eagle Series Was tougher to collect back when the Releases were a Hair Raising, OCD Adventure, Sort to Speak. I went on line the day of the release and decided to call the Mint and order. They had other plans, I Finally ordered and was switched to NOT allow the Mint employee's to Listen , went through those Hoops and Back to the Originally Greeted Agent, ( a Kid who, was Lost......). Any way I received the OK Just let me get the Confir............. Hello..... GONE.... Feeling frustrated, I simply forgot and went on with the life.. I signed back in to the Mint's site, days later and saw I had something in my Cart. It was the Sets I ordered over the phone, that did NOT go through. I completed the sales and Upon receiving the 2 of 3 sets, I am Usually Very Enthusiastic and Excited to See My Newest ASE'S. Friends have Children, Births, Graduations, These Always were Exceptionally Crafted, and Presented in such a Way that Usually, I am Beaming with Excitement Etc.The Envelopes were Extra Wide, ( maybe an Error )  Coins were lopsided and Not secured in the Capsules. Upon seeing the coins, I am No Longer finding Exquisite, Exceptional quality American Made Products. The Entire Ordering, Processing, Confirmation, were Poor. Delivery WAS quick, Great.... Quality Control has Become a Liability , While the Costs, seemingly Never Fail, to Rise Up !!!! What Ever Happened to the Greatest Mint in the World, Classic Detailed Designs, Impressive Quality to show the Others. I have dealt with MANY foreign Mints, We No Longer Hold the Lights, Like Before.....  Any One else Thoughts.... |
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I feel ya MD. Online chat is useless, live chat leaves lots to be desired, online seems easy enough, bar the few glitches once in a while. The quality of the ASE's I got from West Point is just awful. I posted these images on another ASE thread. Do yours look like this one?   |
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Mine turned out just beautiful, maybe even PR70 perfect. (You can see it in the other topic. My ASE topic that is - Dearborn's ASE's) Edited by Dearborn
03/17/2023 8:40 pm
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I hate to say it but, if it were mine, I would return it.
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Eagle, I am Not sure what Exactly your referring to. Nice Pictures Though. I am frustrated with the Examples I have received to GIFT to others.......... I am sorry about the manner in which, We pay for a Brand New American made coin, Vs What I received, I only purchased these as a Gift and a Back up for the West Point Proofs Not the U S Mint's best days...... Dsking, Maybe !!!!! |
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John, Your West Point Proofs, Mine are Exceptionally Struck, They are Sweet Too. I am talking about the West Point Proofs in the Congratulations Packages..... Mine received are Not up to Par....... |
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Okay, so I retook some images for comparison, 2023 versus 1994, using the same cameras. The 2023 is has a more "grainy" look to it than the 1994. Maybe a TPG'er takes this into account but, I'm not certain I would. The 1994 easily wins, hands down, on grade appearance.   @dsking, I'm absoletely considering a return. A TPG should not level load, the age of a die. |
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I am talking about the West Point Proofs in the Congratulations Packages. Wouldn't the 'W' ASE's that were sold individually be taken from the same 'stock' that was used for the congrats package? Quote:
so I retook some images for comparison, 2023 versus 1994, using the same cameras. I'm not too sure how the mint set up the dies for a proof with a deep cameo (DECAM) in 1994, but later on in years they started using a computer guided laser to etch the die to achieve the DCAM. Is it possible that the laser was applied a bit too harshly? I have a Roosevelt dime in my hands that is a rare error (Mike Diamond did a write up on it) of a 2015 Dime that had a normal 'frosting' but the reverse nothing but some sputtering's of the 'frosting' on it. 2015-S Dime - no reverse frosting
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03/18/2023 12:07 am
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The Third Package showed up, Flawless................................... Why do We pay full price for a Brand New Coin and Why do We have to tolerate Less than Flawlessly New....... !!!! We Don't........ John, Yes they are. However, The Handling of the Same should NOT result in Flaws on their Coins.... Gifts will be Less than Perfect !!!! |
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The Third Package showed up, Flawless................................... Why do We pay full price for a Brand New Coin and Why do We have to tolerate Less than Flawlessly New....... !!!! We Don't........ Hi MD, The congratulations W ASEs are the same as the regular release with just the added packaging. Unfortunately to grade for the special label you have to send sealed in mint package as well so people cant switch them out if the quality looks poor with a better one and I guess makes it hard then to cherry pick also for that specific one (only for grading wise I mean, fine to open to check as a gift for someone.) When quality fluctuates too much for your liking otherwise, one option is to just start to buy them from coin shows/dealers directly so you can inspect them before purchase (so long as its not a very limited edition where the price will be much higher). In some cases like the 2021-D morgan it appears most are not MS-70 and so the price for those in MS-70 are far higher. In other cases like the uncirculated versions of the American Innovation Dollars it may also be harder to find the top quality examples as you might expect just buying rolls or bags as another example. Yes the mint should not have these issues as you stated and I agree, Similar issues also with the 2022 Liberty Medal. Normally you can exchange/return but its a hassle.
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03/18/2023 9:56 pm
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@Eaglebub7, could you post a closeup of the MM on the 2023 proof ASE? It looks strange with the image given. Thanks!  |
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Hello DD, I use to attend a Bi Monthly Coin and Stamp Show, Here on the Island, Local VFW Hall set up for Seeing Coins . Decades ago, the Vendors were Packed in. Everything was for sale... I use to Shadow Shop, I would Listen and learn Then Cherry Pick, the vendors Knew Us, they were quite Kind. The excitement Sundays were Wonderful, Collect the $$$ and Check out whats available. Things have changed, The vendors Pre Pandemic were Few and Measly Pickings, My have things have changed, IMO, I hope the shows return, For Us, The New and Forever learning Collectors Too I have been ordering from the Mint Forever, Like Most Here. I'm just Frustrated by the direction of The Issues . DD, Your correct about the ONLY difference between the Congrats and Proofs offered from the Mint are the packaging !! My Gifts are Flawed Too...... |
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@ Eagle7, Imo, the 1994 takes the prize.... Sometimes a Re-Design does Not Stand up to changes Well... I see Intricate small design changes here on the Obverse, Details Matter....... PS, Looking close I see the Facial details are swelled, compared to the Crisp 1994 's |
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@Khromtau: are you talking about the mark on the obverse? If so, then that is the designers initials. The MM on the reverse looks just fine to me.
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Ok, thanks Dearborn! I am not used to the designers initials being located there(I am use to them being obscured in the design somewhere, not so open and obvious and in a location where the MM usually is). Didn't realize the MM was on the reverse. Thanks again!  |
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@Khromtau, The obverse of the American Eagle Silver Coin is based on another iconic early 20th century design, Adolph A. Weinman's 1916 Walking Liberty half dollar. It features the figure of Liberty in full stride, enveloped in folds of the flag while the sun rises in the background. Her right hand is extended and she carries laurel and oak branches in her left. Mint medallic artists used original assets from the 1916 half dollar to refresh the design. Starting with the redesign in 2021 the coin returns some of the elements to their original positions, such as the folds of the flag and the sun's rays. The font matches that used on the 1916 coin and the design returns Weinman's artist initials to their original position. Liberty's eye and the cap she wears are also modified to reflect Weinman's intent. (Quoted from the USMINT)  Edited by datadragon
03/19/2023 6:21 pm
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Posted 03/17/2023 8:39 pm
My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection - 1986 to Present 
