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There is a Retained Cud on the reverse. right wheat stalk. Referencing Cuds on Coins, it very much resembles RCD-1c-1955S-05R as well as 077R. My problem is the markers. The 05R example states stage A. My example does have a chip in the first 5 of the date and the lower loop of the S in the MM. Small chip in upper 9 as well. Concerning the 07R, quite similar but has no chips in date or mintmark. Hoping someone can elaborate a bit and offer an explanation      |
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@dow, that is a nice one. Could you just have a later die stage than what is listed so far?
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Bedrock of the Community
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I would call it a retained internal die break/chip. A Cud always involves the rim. Nice photos! Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.artToo many hobbies .... too much work .... not enough time. |
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I considered that Spence. Since the 05-R has a chip in both fives, I ruled it out as a later stage of that one. Maybe a later 07-R. But it does not have the breaks near the upper left stalk. This one should if it were a later stage of the 07-R, I would think.
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Quote:I would call it a retained internal die break/chip. A Cud always involves the rim. That was my first reaction as well. I checked the listings under RIDB at COC and the was no match so I checked listings under Retained & Pre-Cuds and found these examples. So according to COC it is considered a Retained Cud. Thanks on the pics!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Now that's a classic '55 S with the quintessential chips and cracks. Love wheat cents.
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Are those 2 lines connecting the rim to the wheat stalk die cracks? If so ,then maybe I 'could' call this a Cud, but I'm more in the RIDB park.. |
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Yes Dearborn, both lines (cracks) connect the rim to the wheat ear. The ones I listed from COC have it classified RC ( Retained Cud). There are no similarities listed under RIDB that I could find. Did you have a look at the attributions I submitted? |
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I have not checked them out yet, I saw your post and started my reply, but then my roofers showed up, so I has to cut short my reply and research on your Cud..  |
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As mentioned, die chips will be raised areas where the die chip leaves a void on the die. Thus the raised areas where there should not be raised metal. Not a Cud issue. Die chips on wheat cents are very common on the Wheat cents as they used these dies way past the normal retirement. It would be like forcing people to keep working and seeing the accident rates and bodily hard rates on seniors. Thus these dies were continued to be used beyond, beyond normal usage. On the lower right wheat grains, it looks like a struck through debris issue is on that area. But not a really bog deal. (just an explanation of what we see there) Looks like it remained in place. But doubt if the weight was increased any that could be weighted. The die chips are common and note the flow lines onto the reverse rims, showing that that die also was aging when your coin was struck. |
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Coop, the issue here is not the die chips in the date and mintmark. They are markers that appear on the Cuds on coins attributions that I referred to in the opening statement. I suspect that you have not looked at those examples as well. If you have a look at those examples, which are highlighting the right wheat ear and are still convinced that my example is just a worn die, ten perhaps you should contact Cuds on Coins and correct their interpretations as well. Well it seems that most people do not bother to read opening statements for new replies. Just a quick look at the coin followed by an opinion. Often not even addressing the subject matter. Advice is often put forth to do somework. I always do that before considering posting a coin. Looks like I am just wasting my time. I have received only one reply on this that even offered any possible reasonable explanation. Thank you Spence. I guess that is as far as I am going to get here. |
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Dowhat, that link you posted up above in the ()'s only refer back to a CCF page and only shows Cuds at the rim. not a Retained Cud from Cuds-on-coins. So now that I got my roofers up on my roof, I can go look at Cuds on coins and that unlinked reference you posted in your opening post. Give me a few minutes. |
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Ok, It certainly appears to be the 05R But can it be a different Obverse die used?
On your coin there are small die cracks on the 9, 5, and smaller on the last 5. There is also one on the bottom loop of the S of the MM.
What I see on CoC are larger chips on the 55 on the stage 'A' and no chip on the 9.
on the stage 'B' a nice large chip on the 955,
also all the chips on the date don't have the same shape as yours either.
But on either one, I'm not seeing any chip on the MM, like yours.
I'm thinking a different die pair here.
And sorry for the delay - life happens to all of us.
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05/22/2023 12:23 pm
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Thanks for the input Dearborne. A different die pairing would explain it.
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Bedrock of the Community
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So, if CoC already has a 05R in its logbooks, maybe you can submit your coin to them showing a different die pair. And it HAS to be a different pair because your chips are smaller than stage 'B' AND had a chip in the S.
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Dearborn, great suggestion. But I have no idea how to meet their criteria for submitting images to COC. Mb and pixels and resolution means nothing to me. This coin is one year older than I am. I have no computer, no printer, only this smart phone I can barely navigate.
It will consume more of my time to fool around figuring it out while I could be searching more rolls. No way am I tech savvy but I know when I see something, thanks to information provided herein.
I would be glad to let someone else submit it just so I know I learned something. Anyone interested?
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