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Australian 5 Cent Die Changes And Coin Varieties

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 Posted 12/20/2009  11:24 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Brissyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here are images of some of the changes to dies and the coin varieties that arise for Australian 5 cents from 1966 onwards. I say some, because I may not have them all and some images I cannot locate right now.

1966 5 cents Reverse Die Type 1 ( Royal Mint London die)
- coins struck at Royal Mint London.
Image not available.

1966 5 cents Reverse Die Type 1A (Royal Australian Mint Canberra die)
- coins struck at Royal Australian Mint Canberra
- shortened spine on forearm, top left of coin


Image - 1966 5 cents Canberra reverse.

1967-1972 5 cents Reverse Die Type 1
- coins struck at Royal Australian Mint Canberra
- reverse same as for 1966 London die


Image - 1968 5 cents reverse.



Image - 1967 5 cents reverse Type 1 showing gap at bottom.


1972 - 1986 or 1987 5 cents Reverse Die Type 2
- coins struck at Royal Australian Mint Canberra
- new reverse die type used part way through 1972 production run
- used for most coins struck during 1984 production run and with coins in Mint and Proof sets in 1985 and some in 1986 and said to have been used briefly for 1987 circulation coins but 1987 coin not cited by me
- Echidna design appears reduced in size so that there is a wider gap between rim and bottom of design (designer's initials) and slightly wider on each side of Echidna


Image - 1972 5 cents reverse Type 2



Image - 1972 5 cents reverse Type 2 showing gap at bottom.



Image - 1981 5 cents Reverse Type 2 showing gap at bottom and rim.


1981 5 cents Reverse Type 2a
- coins struck at Royal Canadian Mint Winnipeg
- no noticable difference in reverse die to that of Canberra except maybe the rim


Image - 1981 5 cents reverse Type 2a RCM showing gap at bottom and rim.


1981 5 cents Reverse Type 2b
- coins struck at Royal Mint Llantrisant
- no noticable difference in reverse die to that of Canberra except maybe the rim


Image - 1981 5 cents reverse Type 2b showing gap at bottom and rim.


1984, 1986-2010 5 cents Reverse Type 3
- coins struck at Royal Australian Mint Canberra
- design appears to have been increased slightly in size and designer's initials re-engraved apprear slightly larger than 1966-72
- the gap between rim and bottom of design (designer's initials) is smaller than Type 2
- circulation coins for 1984 Type 3 reverse appear to have been struck late in 1984 production run, no coins of Type 3 have surfaced in sets for 1985 and there appears to be an even mix of Type 2 and Type 3 reverse in mint and proof sets for 1986, all coins inspected for 1987 have been Type 3


Image - 1984 5 cents Reverse Type 2 showing gap at bottom.



Image - 1984 5 cents Reverse Type 3 from circulation showing gap at bottom.



Image - 1986 5 cents Reverse Type 3 from set showing gap at bottom.


1991-1994 5 cents Reverse Type 4
- coins struck at Royal Australian Mint Canberra
- reverse features a large designer's initials at base of design filling most of gap between rim and design
- this large SD variety can only be found on circulation coins (coins from sets have Type 3 Reverse)
- both Reverse Types 3 and 4 can be found in circulation coins with Type 4 very scarce for 1994


Image - 1991 5 cents Reverse Type 4 from circulation.


Image - 1991 5 cents Reverse Type 4 from circulation showing gap at bottom.


2002 - ? 5 cents Reverse Type 5
- struck at Royal Australian Mint
- possibly another variant of Type 3 Reverse but designer's initials appear finer and the spines on either side are further apart than for Type 3
- this type may appear on other years from as early as 1990 and as late as 2007


Image - 2004 5 cents Reverse Type 5 showing SD at bottom of design.



Image - 2004 5 cents Reverse Type 3 showing SD for comparison.


2007-2009? 5 cent Reverse Type 6
- struck at Royal Australian Mint Canberra
- reverse redesigned with design larger and SD smaller
- spines at top of coin almost touch rim and SD is tiny compared with all other types
- Type 6 reverse appears on a small number for 2007 circulation coins struck late in the production run for 2007 and appears on all 2008 circulation coins but a mix of Type 3 and Type 6 can be found in Mint Sets. Type 6 not yet sited for 2009 circulation 5 cents or in 2010 Mint Sets but can be found in 2009 Proof Sets


Image - 2007 5 cents Reverse Type 6 from circulation.



Image - 2007 5 cents Reverse Type 6 from circulation showing tiny SD and gap at bottom.



Image - 2007 5 cents Reverse Type 3 from circulation for comparison of SD size.



Image - 2008 5 cents Reverse Types 6 and 3 showing SD for comparison.
Edited by Brissyboy
12/21/2009 10:23 am
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 Posted 02/23/2010  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi:

I just found this 2007 Australian 5 cent piece while roll searching Lincoln Cents this afternoon.

It was right in the middle of the roll when I broke it open. (N.F.String & Son Inc, Harrisburg PA. Red & White Wrapper)

Appreciate help with identifying this:

It looks like a 2007 5 cent Type 3 from your description. Weighs approx 2.82 Grams.

Thanks for any help!







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 Posted 02/23/2010  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your post. It would appear to be a 2007 Type 3 reverse or possibly Type 5 (variant of 3). Type 6 for 2007 is the somewhat scarce variety as it was the last mint run before they stopped striking the 2007 issue. It may have only been one press on one day using the new reverse die. The other 2007 types are common, sorry. But an interesting find for the USA.
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 Posted 02/23/2010  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info!
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 Posted 10/19/2016  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brissyboy, a great summary of all the varieties. Are you planning to update this at all in he near future. I have noticed that the variations continue right up to the 2016. I would add some myself but I haven't progressed to the fine photography that you achieve. Also my magnification is only at 10x so by no means accurate.
Hans
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 Posted 10/20/2016  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hercules to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you'll find that Brissyboy hasn't been on this forum for over 4 years. I've got a list of some of the more recent varieties, although it's probably incomplete.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Hercules, I would certainly appreciate your help. Perhaps between us we can complete it.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you get Australasian Coin And Banknote magazine?
see October 2016 issue.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Hans and all. I did drop out back in 2010-11 when my father was ill, gave up work to look after him and my mother and then after he passed in 2012 it took me quite a while to get some normality back. I also had my cousin's 22 yo son stay with us for a short while and he broke into my coin cabinet and stole many of my gold and silver coins and took off to Sydney.

I may be able to slowly get back into varieties again. Cheers all, Wayne
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 Posted 10/20/2016  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I also had my cousin's 22 yo son stay with us for a short while and he broke into my coin cabinet and stole many of my gold and silver coins and took off to Sydney.

I may be able to slowly get back into varieties again. Cheers all, Wayne


Sorry to hear that,i wish I had a $ for everytime this has happened over the years to Friends, Family, Neighbours,unfortunately Valuables have to be well hidden and with pocket size metal detectors around,extremely well protected.
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 Posted 10/21/2016  03:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hercules to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to keep you updated, here are my 5c variety stats from noodling:

1972
Type 1: 001 (33%)
Type 2: 002 (67%)

1984
Type 2: 022 (96%)
Type 3: 001 (04%)

1987
Type 2: 001 (01%)
Type 3: 070 (99%)

1991
Type 3: 015 (39%)
Type 4: 025 (61%)

1992
Type 3: 030 (59%)
Type 4: 021 (41%)

1993
Type 3: 094 (90%)
Type 4: 011 (10%)

1994
Type 3: 140 (98%)
Type 4: 003 (02%)

2007
Type 3: 149 (91%)
Type 6: 014 (09%)

2009
Type 3: 024 (11%)
Type 6: 193 (89%)

2010
Type 3: 043 (21%)
Type 6: 158 (79%)

2014
Type 3: 059 (09%)
Type 6: 590 (91%)

2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015
All Type 6
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 Posted 10/21/2016  04:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My survey:
Date Variety Number Variety Number
1972 Low Echidna (rev A) 10 High Echidna (rev C) 46
1984 Low Echidna (rev D) 19 High Echidna (rev C) 402
1987 Low Echidna (rev D) 1277 High Echidna (rev C) 4
1991 Small SD (rev D) 58 Large SD (rev E) 113
1992 Small SD (rev D) 286 Large SD (rev E) 125
1993 Small SD (rev D) 730 Large SD (rev E) 43
1994 Small SD (rev D) 1307 Large SD (rev E) 14
2001 Small Head (obv 5) 1121 Large Head (obv 6) 18
2007 Small SD (rev D) 761 Tiny SD (rev F) 203
2008 Small SD (rev D) 0 Tiny SD (rev F) 3543
2009 Small SD (rev D) 429 Tiny SD (rev F) 1109
2010 Small SD (rev D) 486 Tiny SD (rev F) 871
2011 Small SD (rev D) 0 Tiny SD (rev F) 958
2012 Small SD (rev D) 0 Tiny SD (rev F) 3094
2013 Small SD (rev D) 0 Tiny SD (rev F) 1717
2014 Small SD (rev D) 186 Tiny SD (rev F) 833
Edited by agent86
10/21/2016 04:29 am
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 Posted 10/21/2016  05:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How many have 2015 and 2016 5 cent pieces have you both checked?
I've looked at 47 2015 and no 2016 (yet).
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 Posted 10/21/2016  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All the circulation 2015 have the tiny SD as have all the 2016. I've only seen a handful of 2016 but I have full mint bags of 2015
Edited by agent86
10/21/2016 06:05 am
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 Posted 10/21/2016  06:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hercules to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2015: 101
2016: 0

I also bought a bag of changeover ones from the mint, but I haven't checked them yet.
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 Posted 10/21/2016  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The changeover ones have the tiny SD. The larger lower profile of that reverse would better match the low profile of the commemorative obverse.
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