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1878 7/8 Tf Back From ANACS

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 Posted 07/20/2016  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PVC or not, I'm surprised they don't have a system in place that boils down to simply calling or sending an email essentially saying "we think your coin is covered in PVC residue, may we soak it in acetone to remove it?". They could even set a deadline of a couple days to respond and if you don't then do what they think is best.

Anyway, if that is really PVC, then wouldn't the remaining toning still be PVC residue they couldn't remove? And if so you could investigate it yourself by soaking it in acetone to see if any more comes loose. You'd lose the slab, but could resolve the mystery.

The only thing I don't understand is if it is really toning, then what conservation technique would they use that would remove the toning but wouldn't be considered cleaning the coin?
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 Posted 07/21/2016  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Slider23.

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 Posted 07/21/2016  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a BS story ANACS gave you to kick the can down the road a little further. I hope I never send another coin to ANACS. Any company that takes liberties with a coin that isn't theirs, without permission, and then lies about why, isn't for me. Sorry that happened, and glad you posted it.
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 Posted 07/22/2016  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought about it for a couple days ...

And sent another email.

What I was concerned with.

If they thought it was PVC, they did not get it all. And now it is in a problem
free slab.
- I don't think it is/was PVC

They didn't contact me about treating the PVC before doing so.

In my first phone conversation with them, they agreed it was not
policy to conserve a coin without consent.
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 Posted 07/22/2016  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is on the ANACS site about PVC Residue: "As this film continues to degrade, it eventually turns into a mild acid, and begins to attack the surface of the coin. Until the film is removed from the coin, it is usually not possible to tell if the coin has been damaged. Additionally, this chemical reaction can continue even if the coin is sealed in an inert plastic holder. This is why ANACS does not encapsulate coins with active PVC contamination.

Recognizing PVC residue is not always easy. When the residue begins to form, it often appears as light milky spots on the coin. PVC residue also appears as streaks or a light haze, and ranges from nearly white to dark green or gray".

I find it strange that in ANASC's response to you they called your coin beautiful covered in PVC. I am not an expert in PVC as I only owned a handful of coins with PVC residue, but I can tell you the coins were not beautiful with the green slime.

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That is very interesting Slider....the one thing I don't see them mentioning is that when they do get sent a coin with PVC residue they might just dip the coin for you without asking you 1st.

If this is their policy, then they should warn customers about it.
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 Posted 07/22/2016  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mont,
ANASC has been in business a long time, and this is not their first rodeo in dealing with coins with PVC residue. I would be highly surprised if there was not a system in place on how to deal with coins that have PVC residue because it generates additional revenue when the coin is conserved. I am pretty sure it is not in ANASC procedures or policies to take the liberty to dip/conserve the coin without customer approval.
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 Posted 07/22/2016  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greg73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too would want to understand what happened. I am interested to find out what they say
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 Posted 07/22/2016  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
interesting. I like the coin both ways. I understand the frustration. I would get 5 free submissions if I were you. just beat on them relentlessly until they give it them to you
good luck
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 Posted 07/23/2016  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add messydesk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know I'm just looking at pictures, but the luster on the coin looks dead in the first picture, and pretty good in the second. A toning-removing dip would have left a dipped-out luster if all that was removed was toning. There is still light toning on the "after" coin that would not have survived a Jeweluster (or equivalent) dip, but would have survived a residue-removing solvent. Why a residue was brownish, I'm not sure.
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