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 Posted 10/15/2011  12:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-S-Kenn...em3f0eca7ede

Holy Smokes! Not only is this clad Kennedy half "slabbed" in somebody's basement, but the listing spends a whole lot of time talking about silver composition. Even the slab mentions the term "bullion". Current bid of $1.35 isn't an insultingly high price for a generic 1982-S proof (although I just picked up five unopened 1982 Proof sets for $8)- it does have a higher bid than most of the other ungraded 82-s's listed right now.

The one positive, Beverly Hills Bullion didn't bother grade it. So I guess this goes as a BHB- Genuine slab!
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 Posted 10/15/2011  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cinemabon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, this is sort of a case of buyer beware. It depends on the origin of this coin. According to the US Mint, silver-clad Kennedy halves (40%) were minted in 1982 for special 3-coin sets. That said, regular clad Kennedy halves sold in rolls would also have "mint" luster. They have no silver content. Unless this coin was verified by a bonafide coin service, then its a case of buyer beware.
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 Posted 10/15/2011  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is my favorite part of the listing. Notice the bottom part:

Obverse design: President John F. Kennedy
Reverse design: The Seal of the President of the United States
Bicentennial reverse designer: Seth Huntington
Bicentennial reverse design: Independence Hall in Philadelphia
Edge: reeded
Diameter: 30.6 mm
Thickness: 2.15 mm

Composition
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 Posted 10/15/2011  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@cinemabon - I'm not aware of any silver proofs from that year, except for the Washington commemorative. Am I missing something?
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 Posted 10/15/2011  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cinemabon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one of many links to this silver-clad coin:

http://cointrackers.com/coins/647/1...half-dollar/
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 Posted 10/15/2011  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cinemabon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I couldn't amend my post above. Although it was a "proof" coin, it had 0% silver in it (some proofs were minted with a silver fascia. This one wasn't!) Sorry for the mix up.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-D-PCGS...em45fab69303


You could have a MS-63 or 64 1944-D Lincoln wheaty for a buck or two, or you could get this PCGS GENUINE slabbed specimen for a whopping $11. Good thing shipping is free.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BUT did you all notice the shipping was free
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 Posted 10/16/2011  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-P-Susa...em5d30b48325

Here's your only chance to get an authentic PCGS GENUINE SBA DOLLAR. Looks like it would have been AU-55 if it wasn't cleaned.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure what the point is here. There was no claim of grade, no claim of it being silver, absolutely nothing wrong about the listing at all. I use those exact same slabs. Ever consider that may well be a business name? So, were I to put one of my Morgans up that I have slabbed the same way and put D Squared Coins on the label, I would be a target of your derision as well.

This whole thing of posting peoples listings and bashing them is getting a bit out of hand.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VACookey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A quick Google search will show that Beverly Hills Bullion is a store and that they have many items put into these identical slabs. I see no mention of grade, no misleading claims of the item being silver when it isn't. Maybe I'm missing something, but why is a retailer protecting its produdcts in plastic slabs and putting their own label on it a bad thing?
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 Posted 10/16/2011  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@smokeriderdon

Now, I will admit that I can be catty by nature, and by and large I'm not that cynical about people's intentions.... my point was really just to post some interesting listings. I think a "Genuine" SBA dollar is quite unusual considering its age and desirability. I find it also interesting to offer a "genuine" uncirculated common-date Wheat cent for eleven times its retail value. As for Beverly Hills Bullion? Well, if you read a listing that leaves some doubt as to what the seller is implying with the listing- then I think it's worth noting.

If the thread isn't worth reading, that's a decision you'll have to make.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/United-Stat...em1c1fb75f7d

Anybody care to part with $250 bones + $5 for economy shipping on this nice 1983 proof set. Don't know if that price gets you the box or just the plastic coin slab.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The point is that there was NOTHING implied anywhere in that listing. As VACookey said, I was right. Beverly Hills Bullion is simply the name of the business. So by your comments and line of thinking, they can only sell bullion because otherwise they implied something else through their name. Thats by your words "Even the slab mentions the word "bullion"." And the brief history the seller gave of the composition of the Kennedy halves was just that, a simple history lesson. If anyone garners anything else out of that, I cant rightly say how anyone would get anything extra out of that.

As for the other stuff, again, whats the point? Not a single thing you have brought up here deserves snide commentary. These are people simply trying to sell something. Nothing nefarious. If there was something truly false or suspicious then I would be right there with you.
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 Posted 10/17/2011  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel I have to make comment on the general aspect of this thread. I too have posted "bash" oriented threads here recently. One on a "collectible" Ike because it was "a rare pocket worn" coin and the other about a prolific lister on ebay who has many early wheat cents listed that look too clean to be real. My purpose for the Ike was simply humor and nothing mean spirited. The second about the wheat cents was out of concern for what seems annecdotal evidence of someone who has fake cents. The second thread being out of worry that in my efforts to collect wheat cents, do I need to now be on the lookout for fakes of non key Lincolns. I think we all need to limit the scope of our "look at this ebay thread" to ones that can truely further our education of this great hobby and not just bash for bashings sake.
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10/17/2011 01:29 am
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 Posted 10/17/2011  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
smokeriderdon,

There most certainly IS something implied in that listing. There is no reason whatsoever for the seller's entire description to focus the history of the composition of Kennedy halves, with so many mentions of silver. Why does he list the fine details of the coins make up EXCEPT the composition (despite having a "composition" heading? Why is it slabbed? It could more easily and cheaply be put in an airtite.

Both of these things are ways to suggest the item is silver without actually saying it (i.e. plausible deniability). It reminds me of those gold Buffalo ads where they go on and on about the real US gold buffalo $50 coins then smoothly transition into their gold plated copy with 10mg. of .9999 pure gold. They may not be lying, but they hope you don't really understand what they are saying. I'm not saying this is as bad as the gold buffalos, just that it is along the same lines.

I do agree that the name of the business itself should not be considered misleading, but the rest of the description is.
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