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Valued Member
United States
232 Posts |
hi all I am a newb to coin collecting but thought of starting to order some from the us mint. could anyone tell me what would be the best types to order.... coins, sets, commemoratives, proofs, silver or what ( I cannot afford the gold's, lol). I'm primarily looking for the items that tend to go up in value best over the years so I could someday pass them down to my kids. any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3540 Posts |
Unfortunately, you cannot predict the future. Believe any advice you receive should start with that. Case in point. The collector version of the 5 oz America the Beautiful ( ATB) started out as limited production. For the first five, this has held true for the first five - NP1 through NP5. NP6 and on, well, the floodgates of production, MIGHT be opened completely. Mint is not saying absolutely how many may be made or not. Mint might melt what they don't sell after a period of time.
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Valued Member
United States
410 Posts |
I like the Quarter Silver Proof Sets. They can be purchase on ebay for very close to silver spot price.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4132 Posts |
Mint and proof sets tend not to do that well in terms of value. Silver items and silver proof sets will at least track silver in value. I know little about commemoratives, so I can't speak to how they've performed in terms of value, but most of them are silver at least. Anything that has very limited mintage numbers will tend to do better.
The 25th anniversary silver eagle set is coming out on the 27th, and that might be a good investment because the 20th anniversary sets and the special reverse proof that is unique to those sets have done very well.
Classic coins may be better investment-wise than modern stuff.
But the better answer is to collect what you like.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1302 Posts |
Welcome to the hobby.
My advice to you is to first set a budget for yourself. Whether you are buying coins for fun or buying coins for a long term investment, its important to set a budget.
After you know what you are willing to spend, decide what type of collection you want. There are type sets (an example of each type of coin throughout a period), specific coin sets, themed sets, etc.
Once you decide what it is you want to collect, read up on as much literature and coin forum advice as you can get. This won't help you avoid every rookie mistake, but the time you spend learning will pay off and help you enjoy the hobby more.
The other posters are correct, it is impossible to predict the future, but it appears that the safest plays are with key date coins, and high mint state graded coins from classic sets.
If you are into collecting coins for the metal value, I recommend that you don't. Bullion is a good hedge, but paying a premium for a pretty pattern being stamped on a piece of silver is not a good idea. Buy bars.... that is- if you are one of the types of people that think precious metals are undervalued right now....
I don't.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
882 Posts |
You asked what is best to order directly from the mint.
Your second constraint was not gold.
Your third constraint was items that tend to go up in value over the years so that you could pass that value to your children.
Given these constraints, you should focus on offerings that contain silver.
There is some possibility that you may order and receive an oddity when ordering non-precious metal coins, but the chances of that are small.
There is also the possibility that you might, by sheer chance, happen to order non-precious metal items that later on become valuable because of scarcity. Again a small chance.
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The answers already here are pretty good. Honestly though, my answer is probably none of it. Proof sets and mint sets usually barely keep up with inflation in terms of value. Commemoratives are no good for the most part. The real problem is that these days whenever the mint releases something with lower mintages everybody knows about it and scoops it up. What you have to figure out is what could I buy that other people won't be buying. The main reason that the 99' silver proof set is worth so much more than the others is because in year 1999, most people didn't want it....they wanted the clad or no proof set at all. If your main goal is to collect something somewhat affordable that will go up in value I think you have to do a whole lot of your own research in either classic coin series and/or higher grade coins. Want my personal opinion....I think early semi-key lincolns (11-S, 12-S, etc)...type 2 SLQ with readable dates....and Buffalos and IHCs in the VF/XF range are most likely to see good numismatic gains. Anything newer and its too common for the most part. Anything older and its either too expensive (ex. Bust dollars) or doesn't have enough collector interest (ex. Seated dimes)
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Valued Member
 United States
232 Posts |
Thanks for the replies. From what I am gathering proofs and commemoratives are not worth bothering with? The silver and gold coins are only a good investment if the prices of these metals are down. But the older coins are actually the best investment? So,the us mint is not worth buying from unless they gaurantee a low mintage? Also, if buying an older coin, what % of value should I expect to pay vs. book value per coin? For example, I see that a 1914D books for about $300 in VF condition on coinauctionhelp.com , but on e-bay sells for about $150-$200 on e-bay. If I was to start collecting older coins what would be a good % to pay now for a good pay off a few years down the road...if you were buying that is?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: I'm primarily looking for the items that tend to go up in value best over the years so I could someday pass them down to my kids. Sort of two different items. By that I mean something to pass on to your kids should be something for them to help remember you. Something that they would also want to pass on to their kids. Items that they just wouldn't want to dump at a garage/yard or estate sale. As to going up in value, that is a completely different situation and if anyone knew that, they would all be doing it but it doesn't work that way most of the time. For that you could buy stocks, old cars, a Silver mine, bigger house, seeds to grow a gigantic bean stalk up to the clouds. Just go to the USMints web site and buy a proof and/or Uncirc set each year from now on. Pass those on to them and if they like them, fine. If not, can't win them all.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@tershaffer
High grade commemorative coins before 1950 are a good play. They are scarce and desirable. If you can get a good deal on MS-65+ coins- they should go up in value by the time you leave them to your kids. The key, in my opinion, is getting the highest grade coins you can afford. Lower grade coins- even key date coins- are fairly common in the numismatic community. Any dealer can get their hands on a Good 4-6 1916-D Mercury Dime- but getting an AU or MS example is something that is much more rare- and something down the road that will maintain its value if not rise in value.
The other play is bullion. If you believe gold or silver will be more expensive years from now- then just buy and hold bullion assets. I would not recommend that you buy graded bullion coins because the pretty design on the coin has nothing to do with metal. Furthermore, modern bullion coins will never circulate and therefore will not likely deteriorate in condition between now and when your kids get your coins... therefore, the survivability rate of these bullion coins in a high MS condition will be high.
Most dealers I know don't want to buy them back- and every pawn shop or Cash for Gold/ Silver store has a safe full of them.
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New Member
United States
10 Posts |
i think any silver you buy close too spot value would be a good idea
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4901 Posts |
I buy an ASE Proof every year and give it to my son with his birthday gifts and have done this for MANY years...Great looking coins, reasonably priced and it has jump started his interest in collecting coins...I just give him one from my subscription order when they arrive
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Valued Member
United States
60 Posts |
I would spread out my collecting over some modern and some classic coins. There are some modern proofs such as "certain" silver Kennedy halves that in my opinion have done very well over the years because of low mintages. Buying high grade proofs of these particular silver Kennedy's, PF69's, PF70's, and slabbed by one of the top grading services is the way to go here. As far as buying classic coins, there are few key and many semi-key coins that can be accumulated over time on a limited budget. These should be safe plays in the long run, minimal downside risk, and chances are good they will appreciate in value, probably not drastically, but slow and sure.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I personally think that classic coins have the greatest appeal to me simply because I wonder how many individuals (common and famous ones) handled these coins under various circumstances. I agree with what was previously stated about truly enjoying the ones that you collect. Just the other day, for example, after I picked up a 1794 cent at a yard sale I went right to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1794 to review the key events of that era. This allows me to learn while I collect which keeps the hobby interesting etc. It is difficult to understand the desire to focus only on accumulating common date silver or bullion coins unless one is a speculator. fyi, mdpmedia
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Everyone has given you some really sound advice. I would also add avoid buying from newspaper ads, HSN, dubious ''commemorative" coins of private mints, and until you understand the coin series you are collecting, also avoid e-Bay. Know your spendling limit on the coins you would like to buy. Get a used recent copy of the Red Book. For a easy collecting challenge, that looks impressive together, I would suggest either the uncirculated or proof commemorative silver dollars issued by the US Mint since 2000. All except one trades at a slight premium above melt. Most of all, study the Red Book and get a feel for what kinds of coins appeal to you.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Buying high grade proofs of these particular silver Kennedy's, PF69's, PF70's, and slabbed by one of the top grading services is the way to go here. Don't want to call anybody out, but I think this is just a really bad idea. The modern 69 and 70 graded coins of any denomination are already losing interest and being looked down upon because the grading standards have been relaxed....and some are afraid they will be further. Regarding proof silver Kennedy halves, all of them are following the PM market and would drop if silver drops. The high grade 70s cannot be obtained at a reasonable price because those selling paid too much for them. If you were to buy one it will probably go down in value regardless of what silver does.
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