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A Coin Dealer's Dream Consignment

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A friend comes up to me last month, and blows me out of the water with his comment.

"Say, I know you're in the scrap gold biz. Don't have any gold, but I have some coins."

I'm listening, right?

"In the mid 1970's, my father had his coin collection appraised. Over $500 thousand at the time. I'm assigned as the executor of his will. Sis and I are the only heirs," he continued.

"I trust you. I know nothing about coins. Will you sell them for me?"


I stammered a bit. My eyes glistened with the humility I felt as his confidence in me. I responded that I would.


How would ya'll proceed?


P.S. The father is still alive...
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 Posted 10/18/2011  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a scarry subject. And a real problem for some and maybe not for you though. The problem comes in when other relatives find out and start all kinds of "You are robbing our family" or "How much are you pocketing" or many similar situations. If in fact as you mentioned you two are the only relatives, that is sort of good but so many times other mysterious relatives pop up out of the woodwork.
Now if your left alone with all of those coins, even your friend may start to wonder just what could be happening when no one is looking. And then too, when and if you sell something, there could be that doubt that you and someone is skimming off the top.
All sounds a little pessimistic but I've seen similar situations and had one in my family just like I explained.
My suggesetion is to purchase books and magazines on coins with prices prior to any sales. The carefully explain to the owners of those coins that even then those prices are what dealers sell for and unless your planning on becoming a dealer, you would not get those prices.
His estamate of what they were worth was just that, an estimate. Many people have appraisals made for insurance purposes and those are usually inflated due to insurance comapanies don't give you what things are worth.
I suggest you never sell any of those coins except when they are present and have their approval.
So many problems are created by this type of situations.
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 Posted 10/18/2011  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Carl.

I may not have explained myself well.

My friend will be the executor. He and his sister are the only heirs.

The only financial interest I have, and he's comfortable with it, is the commissions I'll make selling his coins.

To someone who only rarely gets coins, this is a bit daunting. But I have the time to do this, and can save him commissions over an auction house, I believe.

The question is how's the best way to proceed...
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 Posted 10/18/2011  01:17 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How many coins in the collection?
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First off you need to determine what kind of a collection it really is. Have you seen the coins? Have you seen the original appraisal of the collection? Are the coins certified? If not, why not? You have a big undertaking in front of you. If they have some very high grade very rare coins (which I would hope because 500K in junk silver will drive you insane before you can sell it) the best advice you can give them may be to act as their "agent" in getting the coins consigned to a major auction. I have sen major auction houses waive the usual commission charged to the seller in order to get the coin into the auction, knowing they will collect the 10 or 15 percent buyers fee on the coin. Alas it is late at night and I ramble. Just be careful and realize you may be biting off a huge project, I hope not beyond the scope of your knowledge. All of Carls comments are true as well, you are stepping into a possible minefield of potential problems.
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 Posted 10/18/2011  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no idea how many coins. He said something like "buried under dad's house in the country..."

Of course, that scared the crap out of me.


I very much like the "act as agent" advice. I'd prob do that. While I prob know less than a tenth of what most of you know, I prob know enough to ask the right questions and keep them out of trouble.

The minefield comment is also quite relevant. This project would consume so much of my time.

But, I hope I get it. It would be cool. And hopefully, I'll have enough posts here to offer things up for sale. :-)
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 Posted 10/18/2011  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm.

But $500k in the mid 1970's. What could that be worth now?
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If the individual value of these coins exceeds, say, $500-ish (and it seems likely given the appraisal you mention) your best bet is Heritage or Stacks-Bowers. Nobody else commands the quantity of deep-pocketed buyers that they do.
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I agree with SuperDave. I think Heritage would be the way to go. When your dealing with a collection of this magnitude, it would pay to reach out to folks that can literally shell out the dollars for individual coins of high dollar value.
I just hope these coins were stored properly. If they are truly buried under dad's house, you have to take into count that there will be environmental damage possible on some of these coins.
Obviously, you don't have that info yet.
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 Posted 10/18/2011  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SuperDave's comment is an interesting one.

I've worried that doing things manually by myself:

- getting Third Party Grading on the coins

- selling them myself on, say ebay,

would be counterproductive. Access to the correct market is critical in a case like this one.
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 Posted 10/18/2011  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
buried under dad's house in the country....



There is $500,000.00 worth of coins buried under a house....WOW , that's scary.
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$500 thousand , that's a lot of coins.
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 Posted 10/18/2011  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As SuperDave mentioned that would be the smartest, fastest, most secure method of disposing of those coins. However, I suggest you first see them. Look them over to see if they are what is claimed. If really buried under a house somewhere, may all be corroded, tarnished, stained, etc. and the so called value given is now outdated.
Ask if anyone has the original appraisal.
Not sure how this would all work out if you and they would simply turn over all to the places mentioned by SuperDave. And those places are rather reliable since they constantly handle millions in coins so yours is just another sale to them.
You should probably contact them to see how such a transaction could be undertaken. Do they pick up? Do you send to them? How is the insurances handled? What about taxes on those sales? etc. Lots of things to consider.
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 Posted 10/18/2011  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Carl offers excellent advice. You'll have to be VERY careful or risk losing your friendship.

The first thing to do is to inventory everything. I would only use Heritage for the very expensive stuff. The key dates/high grade coins should be slabbed before sale to get the highest profit. If there's lots of low grade/cheap stuff, I'd bundle that in batches and sell on ebay.

Another key point is that I'd only take the coins in small batches from your friend and track each and every coin taken to work on selling. There's absolutely NO WAY I'd just load-up all the coins at once and drive away. That leaves far too many questions and potential problems. No matter what, this is going to be a LONG process. Good Luck!
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I don't think you have any idea how big a project this could turn into. I bought most of what I considered a fairly large collection earlier this year.....retail value was less than 10% of the dollar amount you are talking about. Around 35% of the collection was "junk silver" that I was able to sell to a large dealer in bullion coins. That significantly reduced the time & effort I spent in sales but every coin still had to be checked before I was comfortable selling as "junk silver".

The rest of the coins had to be researched & valued before I could even begin to make a decision about how best to sell them. Many had to be sent to TPG's for second opinions & to increase marketability. Some coins came back as problem coins or outright fakes. There's a heck of a lot more to it than checking the dates in the RedBook & selling the coin for top dollar. I've put in a lot of hours & still have coins left to deal with....& I have a display case at the local antique mall for retail sales.

Unless you are talking about a collection of a few high dollar coins worth $500k you are probably talking about a full time job for the next year, or even 2. If it is just a few high dollar coins your best bet is to consign with one of the reputable auction houses mentioned earlier. No matter what you do there's the possibility that you will lose a friend if the collection doesn't realize what the heirs expect it to.
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As suggested above.

Inventory Everything. use the description of the coin and assign an Item number. Yes, this item number may get into the 5 digit range.

Use an electronic format for your inventorying, that was you can benefit from Computers doing match and searches for you.

Keep records of EVERY sale, the date the item went up for sale, the date it sold, the price it sold at, and always use receipts.

I would also actually, have a contract signed up between you and your friend, naming you as the consigner and releiveing you of any financial and personal responsibility in the event of a dispute. Have it notarized.

When transfering the money to your friend, if physical cash, bring along a non interested third party to witness the transfer.

I know a lot of this seems uneccesary between two friends, but if this collection is worth what you say, it's in everyone best interest that you protect yourself, and them. I think it's the responsible thing to do.



Also, if you feel the task is too large / risky, you could refer them to Bobby and Susan, they do consignment. At the least they may be able to offer suggestions from their experiences.
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