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Acetone Pro's - To Dip Or Not To Dip?, That Is The Question.

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So I got this Fugio. I was able to (imo) steal it because it doesn't photograph well.

I love it! I wish I could keep it in my collection, BUT I'm afraid I need the money, so I bought it with the express intent to flip it.

So the challenge began to figure out how to figure out this bad girl to make her look as she looks in hand. For those interested in photography, you might find interest in the following. For those who are not, please skip ahead to the punchline at the bottom.

First, my standard photography set-up.

Acetone-Pro's---To-Dip-Or-Not-To-Dip?,-That-Is-The-Question.

Acetone-Pro's---To-Dip-Or-Not-To-Dip?,-That-Is-The-Question.

As you can see, it doesn't look like much. There is AU detail there if you can see it through all of the distracting porosity. The bottom star is complete! Are you kidding me?! All of the numerals on the sundial? Wow! And all of the beads on the base - this thing looks great!

(I'd love to keep it.)

But that ain't good enough. In hand, this thing looks amazing. A nice black patina over bright copper showing through on the high points. It looks corroded, but it could be that or just a poor planchet. Or some of both.

So I decided to give natural lighting a try. Propped it up on a dime roll and shot against my desk (which is a pretty, orange wood covered in some kind of laminate film or something).

Acetone-Pro's---To-Dip-Or-Not-To-Dip?,-That-Is-The-Question.

Acetone-Pro's---To-Dip-Or-Not-To-Dip?,-That-Is-The-Question.

And that's MUCH better! That's a lot more like what this coin really looks like. So good! But you can't really make out some of the details still. So I shot her on an angle:

Acetone-Pro's---To-Dip-Or-Not-To-Dip?,-That-Is-The-Question.

Acetone-Pro's---To-Dip-Or-Not-To-Dip?,-That-Is-The-Question.

And there we have it. I think you can actually get an idea of what this coin looks like in hand. There's nothing like holding it in your hand, but if that's not possible, these pictures are a decent second.

So now I have to find a dealer who has a buyer, or a collector who can't live without a nice 15-Y (starred reverse) Fugio for their collection. The 15-Y is not a super common variety, but it's not incredibly rare, either, making it, I think, desirable to a larger number of colonial collectors. There aren't a lot of people who are going to collect every variety of Fugio - but this one definitely falls into the list of major varieties most collectors would like to have if they're going to get more than one.



SO NOW THE QUESTION:

This black patina looks like the kind of gunk that should lift off easily with acetone. My first reaction is yeah, see if it will come off!

BUT since I need the money and I've figured out how do decently photographically represent her, I could leave well enough alone and see if the pictures will sell the coin for me.

OR do I take the risk and see what's under this stuff in hopes I'll like what I see? Or that the color will be better enough that it could make this one even more attractive?


To dip or not to dip...
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 Posted 11/02/2011  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert and I have never cleaned a coin with acetone (yet).

But as far as getting your best price...my gut reaction is to leave it alone. You can't go back once it's cleaned and you can leave it to the buyer's imagination as to how good the coin is.

I hope the experts can give you some better advice.
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I find that it could look really nice with a dip in acetone. Being out more of the details.
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IMO.... dont think acetone would hurt. Then again, not sure it would help much either. I would leave it alone it is a beautiful coin!
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I don't see anything on that coin that acetone will remove. I'd leave it as is. It may even end up looking worse. Sometimes on coins with pitted surfaces like this one, the acetone will leave the areas that are now dark ... light. Then the only thing you can do to bring back the darkness is to use some sort of light oil or lighter fluid.

I'have experimented quite a bit on cheap, inconsequential pieces. I wouldn't do that one.

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I find acetone is pretty mild on copper, I use it often on my 2 cent pieces.
For removing PVC residue there is nothing better.

Never felt I changed a coin much by using it, it can lighten copper and bronze,
But that is more due to verdigris coming loose and revealing lighter surfaces underneath.
You can dilute it with distilled water for an extended soak, I also if I feel a need to rinse,
I only use distilled water.
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There is another thread going on with photos of a laquer removal on copper coins. Might be of some help and at least for the photos before and after!
https://goccf.com/t/101811
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First off that's a great coin,congrats. If I may ask,how much did it set you back? Just wondering if a long soak in distilled water would help it or harm it or just do nothing? Has anyone soaked a copper coin in distilled water for a long period of time and what was the results?
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