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 Posted 11/05/2011  11:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi guys

I just noticed some thing on just about every Canadian nickel.
The word Canada is not centered on the nickel.
The "A" is closer to the beads than the "C".
Is there a reason for that...?
See example below.



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 Posted 11/05/2011  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe because the date is centered, and then CANADA is centered above the date?
I suppose they could have adjusted the size of both CANADA and the date to make them both centered, but the date is the part of the Legend closest to the rim.
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11/05/2011 11:56 pm
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 Posted 11/06/2011  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya, but "Canada" and "5 cents" are not lined up either...?
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 Posted 11/06/2011  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is very interesting ... I had never thought of it this way.

Notice, though, that the tops of letters in "CANADA" center nicely with the water lines above. In other words, the right diagonal of the last "A" is problematic when considering how to center the word.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoCentsWorth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool! Good observation Wert! You have sharp eyes that picked up something I never noticed before. I could only guess that the text is centered under the artwork. As the water lines on the left of the beaver are longer than on the right then, correspondingly, the text "Canada" would have to move right to line up properly under the image. I can only suppose that the the water lines are longer on the left to accomodate the artists initials K-G. ( or becuase this way the beaver's back arch's nicely under the '5 cents'

only... my $0.02 worth
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 Posted 11/06/2011  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a type set of Canadian nickels, including the tombac types.

I have occasionally wondered why myself, but never bothered to investigate.

I will review this thread as it develops!
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 Posted 11/06/2011  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, I don't have any insider info into this design and/or into the designer (G.E. Kruger Gray), but it seems to me that Kruger centered everything on the coin, but then his initials (K.G.) kinda shifted the entire beaver a bit to the right, so therefore maybe ol' Kruger compensated a bit and shifted CANADA over to the right a bit to make it look symmetric? (NOTE => the beaver's tail is closer to the right side of the nickel than the log is to the left side of the nickel, correct?) ...

Eh, I admit that my answer may be a bit weak, but at least I came-up with a possible reason (so I am giving myself a passing-grade on this question => part marks, for showing all of my work) ...

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 Posted 11/06/2011  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gentlemen...Its not off centre! The mint chose a specific area on the letter A and centred the word based on that.The letter A shoots out to the far lower right of the reverse giving us the illusion that it is off centre. If the word Canada was shifted to the left to accommodate the A then I believe the so called centreing of Canada would look even more out of Place as their would be a huge gap between the Top of the A to the denticles.
bibd hit the nail on the head when he suggested that the letter A was problematic!

Get a ruler out and measure the distance from the denticles, to the middle outer left section of the C and then measure the distance from the Top of the A to the denticles on the right side. I havent done it yet however I am quite sure it will be the same distance.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add motoryoda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A very intersting observation. I have never noticed this myself before. Time to get the ruler out as Darryl suggests!
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 Posted 11/06/2011  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
weak ... I measured a few different ways and I honestly tried to agree with darryldarryl, but in the end I still think that stevex6's answer was correct (man, that guy is awesome!)

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 Posted 11/06/2011  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canuck1us to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also believe the problem has to do with the angle of the last A in Canada.

I altered wert's original photo to center Canada and I think that leaves more blank space to the right.

Having said that, it still doesn't look bad!



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 Posted 11/06/2011  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nicely done, canuck1us (you have computer skills to burn) ... but looking at your version, I think that ol' Kruger Gray was probably correct in off-setting Canada a bit to the right so the problematic 3rd "A" was cloaked ...

hey => 1963 => my birth year


SIDENOTE => I just bought a digital miroscope and uploaded my first coin photo (man, getting the lighting correct is super difficult) ... however, now I have a brand new addiction to play with
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 Posted 11/06/2011  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hypothetically speaking, if Canada began and ended with the leter 'I", then we wouldnt be having this conversation as the centreing would be bang on.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pat yourself on the shoulder stevex6. You are awesome however the situation remains the same. It appears off centre only because of the the way the letter A is naturally written. Quite simple.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for agreeing with me canuck1us
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 Posted 11/06/2011  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please measure the distance from the middle of the outer edges on each end letter. The distance from those points to the denticals are identical!
If you are not sure what I am speaking of then draw an imaginary line through the middle of Canada from one side of the coin to the other. Measure the distance from where the line comes out of the C, to the denticals on the left side. Then the distance from where that line comes out of the A to denticals.
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