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1923 Peace Dollar

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 Posted 12/30/2006  08:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Southern Yankee to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, hope everyone is doing ok. This coin I picked up was graded as ms64. The obverse is clean with no major marks. There are 2 die cracks one at the bottom which extends over to the top of the v in trust and one at the top that extends over to the t in liberty. The reverse has some what I call major marks on the wing. One mark behind the eagle in the field as well. I'm thinking the reverse is what is keeping this at the grade it is. Would love to hear any opinions. Thanks for looking.


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 Posted 12/31/2006  03:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike

I waited for some the more knowledgeable on the dollars coins to offer up some opinions but the grading forum has been pretty quiet for the last couple of days.

I see nothing that would keep the coin from being the 64 that you purchased, the die crack in most cases will not lower the grade,, in my opinion these coins are very hard to achieve higher grades due to the inherant weakness of the design and the difficulty that was encountered in the minting of them they are one of the most commonly weak struck coins the US has ever produced.

If anything is holding the coin back it is the weakness of the details through the center of the coin both obverse and reverse.IE the hair details above the eye and above and around the ear on the obverse, and the right wing feather detail and down the right leg on the reverse.

all in all This is a fine example of a very difficult series to find pristine well struck coins in.

Rick
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 Posted 12/31/2006  06:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 50cents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say the marks on the eagle is what is keeping the grade down. I like it as a 64 very nice with alot of luster.
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 Posted 12/31/2006  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great original surfaces!
Good buy.
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 Posted 12/31/2006  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the die cracks,looks to be a light one across her cheek also.Looks to be a better than usual strike with good luster.I say a strong MS63 possibly MS64.Peace dollars are inherently hard to grade because of the usual weak strike,but this one looks to be above most.
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 Posted 12/31/2006  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for your input. I read somewhere (can't remember where) that all of these coins where dispursed in bags and none in rolls and that's why they are so marked up. Has anyone heard anything like that. It is tough to find ones not too marked up and not to pricey. As for the strike weakness of the series, does this way heavily on the grading of the coins since they are known to have been weakly struck?
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 Posted 12/31/2006  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Dollar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great coin MS64 is fair. You have a deep srong strike ans a lot of lusture. Yes it is hard to find Peace dollars with strong strikes.
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 Posted 12/31/2006  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike

From my minimal experiance with these particular coins in a collector sense ,, Meaning hands on experiance,, up to a point the strike plays a small part in the grade but after a certian level it becomes increasingly important.especially on the high relief coins. But in contrast fully struck coins from Denver and Philly are not considered hard to come by so strike weakness in these 2 mints may play a larger role sooner than San Fransisco would ,since S mint coins are more often of pooer strike quality and thus an exception maybe nade for the S mint coins. where as the others D and P are held to high standard.

The bag marks and roll marks are hard to get away from on the bigger heavier coins and even the highest grades can have a few marks on them.

Im pretty sure these coins were shipped from the mint in bags, but they then would have been rolled to accomodate whatever commerce these coins were involved in.

Rick
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 Posted 01/01/2007  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the tidbits of info and opinions. Puts me that much closer to understanding this series.
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