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1795 Liberty Cap OGH

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Need some opinions on this 1795 Liberty Cap (and an 1803 Large Cent) recently purchased (will post separate thread on 1803). Considering this is a 200+ year old coin PCGS VF, my concern is the verdigris which is not prominent in the seller pictures but noticeable when held in hand. Requesting some input on what to do next?
If I keep it and send in for conservation it could come back "details" / "Genuine" (and reduce the value)? I have "zero" experience with submitting coins and my knowledge of it has been gathered from here.
If I do nothing, it could get worse and impact it's appearance (and value)?
This one was purchased to replace my lower grade 1794 which was traded earlier this year. Also thought this one had a good shot at a higher grade if resubmitted some day.
Any experience, input, feedback or guidance would be appreciated. I hate to send it back so weighting all options first. Consider this was a major purchase for me at $1655 (late birthday splurge). These ladies don't come cheap.

Pictures: Seller/mine

Obverse - Note Verdigris above "9", above ribbon near "L", at end of chin, in "Y" and above "R".
1795-Liberty-Cap-OGH

1795-Liberty-Cap-OGH

Reverse - Several areas all over - first "S", the "F", around "one cent", above "U" around leaves ..etc. There are slab scratches that are more visible on seller pics.

1795-Liberty-Cap-OGH

1795-Liberty-Cap-OGH


Edit: 1803 not 1801.
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12/03/2011 11:30 am
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More juiced images. Don't consider paying that much and re-submitting or conserving. I'd ask return shipping be paid by the seller (insured).
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Sometimes we get a coin in hand and it looks either better or worse than the seller's photo and we can justify the difference because the seller's photo was weak. That's not the case here as the seller's photo was very clear and certainly altered. So a return and perhaps a complaint are justified. If you want to disclose the sellers name I'd be interested as I do buy large cents on ebay.

Aside from the seller's photo tricks and dishonesty - both coins are awesome.
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I also buy Large Cents on ebay. His ID would be useful.
I agree a return is in order here.
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I wouldn't necessarily consider this bad, maybe he upped the contrast or took them in a different light, but the seller pics still show scuffiness and other things. If he didnt mention any verdigris or anything and acted like the coin was totally clean then I'd consider that dishonest.
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If you are going to be unhappy with it in it's present condition, you will always be unhappy with it.
A coin this important needs to remain in its original state so I would get my money back. Just file a complaint and he will have to take it back. Insure the package and track it. Undisclosed damage.Whether he is dishonest or not shouldn't matter, the image does not show the actual condition of the coin.
That is a lot of money to spend on yourself as a present that was intended to make you happy. There are a lot of other fish in the sea.
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Full disclosure: There are additional pics but they have similar results.
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