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Grades comments?

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I do not know how to grade a fugio but yours is really nice! The main legends are clear and it has great eye appeal!
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I have no clue how to grade it, but it is an awesome looking coin.
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These coins were plagued with planchet defects and strike problems so grading is probably more variable than for most USA issues. I'd guess this one is F-12, with a relatively nice planchet. There might be some light corrosion and possibly the coin has been cleaned to remove said corrosion. If so the problem was minor and the cleaning gentle. Lots of eye appeal for this difficult type!
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This is definitively something that I am not familiar grading. If I had to guess, I would have guessed Fine. Very nice coin with good eye appeal!
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I was thinking Fine as well..
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Very nice. We all know how rough early coppers can be. This one is above most I have seen.
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Looks to be a nice coin - maybe Delaner will chime in. I know he has several Fugios.

Best I can tell.. It's a cinquefoils, pointed rays. Perhaps Newman 8 obverse.

The reverse looks to be United Right, cinquefoils incuse. Not sure.. Maybe newman W for the reverse?

I'd go with Fine details as well. Great planchet with a couple of dark spots on the reverse possibly being corrosion?
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Have only lurked until now, but have been inspired to chime in on seeing a Fugio I recognize as the same as my own -- Newman 9-p. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but the obverse has the high last S and the ornament between MIND and YOUR is over the right edge of the I in BUSINESS. The reverse has the diagnostic die break from ring 10 to the T in STATES (but not the break across rings 13 and 12 that occurs in the latest die state). I'm working from the 2008 Eric P. Newman book.
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to the forum philadephian. Thanks for your insight as to the variety attribution.
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Well met, philadelphian. That's the way to join a forum.

Gee, I wonder where he lives....
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Sorry, meant the left edge of the I in BUSINESS, but I have a funny feeling you knew the die marriage already. As to grade, would agree with F, with regard to wear, but it's so unclear to me how much original strike and planchet quality figures into grade. Mine has much less wear than yours, but it drew a very bad lot in the ol' planchet lottery at James Jarvis' mill.
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Nice Fugio! I see an original coin with no environmental damage or porosity. Usual planchet flaws which are minor to the type. I have to say, I would give this coin a low VF grade all considering.
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The ANACS grader at the Baltimore show gave me a verbal grade of VF30 with corrosion. I guess NGC disregarded the corrosion and knocked it down in grade. I think it's a fair grade and am glad it is a problem free one.

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I'm glad that's how NGC saw it too, no corrosion.
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Awesome coin - good to see it problem free.
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