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A recent addition. Needs conservation, particularly on the reverse, but I'm thinking it's worth the effort.

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I would go Ef on this , No major marks in the fields and quite a good strike.
Tiny bit of wear on the wheat,
Very nice coin.
Whats with the "r" in liberty? I know it has nothing whatsoever to do with the photography>
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Nice LWC Dave! The reverse might be improved, at least once you conserve it, it won't get worse.

I'd venture AU-55 with a broken "R" too cool error.
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Fingerprint in the right obverse field, looks MS to me. I don't see a need for any conservation, there's not much you could do except maybe a xylene soak.

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Nearly hit free fields and rims, I agree with MS62-63
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I'm in the MS63BN boat.
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I don't see a need for any conservation, there's not much you could do except maybe a xylene soak.


Actually, it's your product I had in mind. RIBUS and the VDB have stuff around them which needs to go away, and if I could ameliorate the color contrasts even a little I'd be happier.

For the record, I purchased this coin from Alaska Coin Exchange. They called it MS65(IIRC), and they are one of only a very few whose sight-unseen grading I trust without question. I personally think it to be no worse than 65, unless strike quality plays a greater role in LWC grading than I'm aware of. There are minor marks on the face which require pixel-peeping to identify; you can see a couple here if you look close enough. The only notable marks on the reverse are a small ding at the top left of the N in CENTS, and two small marks on the right of the crossbar of the T in the same word, neither of which are prominent even in this type of unforgiving digital photography. The triangular feature above VDB was something odd which blew off after I noticed it, and is not part of the coin.
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That is a sweet looking Lincoln! I'm wondering what B.T. thinks about the verdicare? Wouldn't that change the character a little?
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Dave - You have the coin in hand, I can't tell exactly what you seeing. If you're going to try VC, I'd use the toothpick method rather than soaking the whole coin.

Personally, I don't think the coin would make 65 unless it looks a whole lot better in hand. With strong cartwheel luster and less direct light, it may bump up. Strong light tends to pierce through the patina and make a coin look worse than what it is in hand. At best I might go 64 due to the splotchiness, weakness in the are in LIBERTY, reverse rim ding at 9 o'clock and the spots on the left wheat.
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I dont think 65 is out of the question dave. I really dont see any dings on it at all. The only problems I see are some dark spots on the Rev.
It has a nice strong strike too :) If you change you mind about it I will take it off your hands lol
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Your thoughts are appreciated, guys. Tomorrow I'll throw enough light at it to kill the color and reveal the true "harsh halogen lighting" details; these images are what the coin looks like to the naked eye.

I am plainly a rookie with grading LWC's. Many factors which would go by the wayside when grading Morgans are in play here.
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My first instinct was MS64BN. It's a nice coin Dave that IMHO, would conserve rather nicely. It appears to be a fairly decent strike.
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Kind of funny, but, in hand, I bet this coin is a stunner...except for the finger print (may not even see it in hand).

With the skills and technology that SuperDave has, I wonder if the three of them (skills+technology+superdave) are not actually hurting the grade on this one.

Be kind of fun for 10 or 20 people to sit around a table passing around a coin and letting them loupe it...write down seperate grades for OBV and REV.....and then tabulate at the end.
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My only reasoning on the AU call was what I perceived (probably incorrectly) to be a touch of rub on Lincoln's forhead. Photos can't tell the whole story always.
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OK, I brought the halogen Thermal Weapons™ to bear, and here is the result. Exposure went from 1/160 to 1/500, and I had to let the coin and the staging area cool afterwards. Literally.

Found another ding on the N I hadn't seen before.

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