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Kennedy's Ghost?

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Here is a 1965 SMS Kennedy half dollar I have, that remains sealed in the original mint packaging. (I will blame this for my poor photography skills.)

As you will see, as indicated by the 'white arrow,' there appears to be a small die crack on the coin's reverse.

Here is the mystery... What are the two parallel lines, marked with the 'black arrows,' running across the reverse and underneath the image(s) on the coin's reverse?


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That is odd. It doesn't look like a die crack because it isn't a raised surface. The whole of it seems to be a line right across the field, but not affecting any of the design.

I have no idea what would cause this. I suspect that the die was damaged to before the design was cut into it. Maybe not. I'm interested to see what some of the veteran members here can add to this. I would like to know myself.
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just a guess could it have been in the planchette before it was struck?
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Chadwick: That is odd. It doesn't look like a die crack because it isn't a raised surface.


The 'line' marked by the white arrow(s) is elevated, leading me to think material oozed into a crack in the die during the striking process.

The parallel lines, the best I can tell, appear to be impressed into the coin, meaning they appear to be below the surface of the planchet.
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I really do not believe that at the white arrow is a die crack, looks more like some kind of strike through more than a crack to me. Those parallel lines do not look much like a clash to me wither, just not sure what it could be in that area. I just don't see anything on the Obverse that would cause a line that long to transfer to the Reverse with a clash. Die gouge was the first thing that crossed my mind but I don't think I have ever seen a gouge that long either, so I really have no idea what it is, just what it doesn't look like
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I was thinking a die dent. Like the die was dropped on a piece of wire. It left a mark on the die and this transfers to the coins it strikes. It not real strong and probably didn't get noticed.
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I'm no expert but I would guess that the problem started with an imperfect planchet because it doesn't interfere with the design at all. But I'm just guessing.
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The 'line' marked by the white arrow(s) is elevated, leading me to think material oozed into a crack in the die during the striking process.


@ Chadwick: I stand corrected. I went back and took a closer look and you are right about the 'die crack.' The line is below the surface of the coin and not raised above the surface. Sorry...

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"polishing marx?"
The long lost Marx brother?
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Thank you everyone for your thoughts...

What should I do with this coin? Is there some specialist to whom I should send the coin to be examined? Should I just hold on to the coin? Any ideas?
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You could keep it. But as far as selling, even with varieties a good price nowdays os hard to find. Or you could sell it as a normal coin. I would label it and keep if for now.
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I have guessed at an answer to this type of problem before.
It looks as if a small wire filament (debris) has come between the die and the planchet. If that is the case, the wire has been flattened in the strike.

I don't think the die was damaged during this process, so this coin would be a 'one off'.
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If there was a piece of wire between the die and the planchet it would look more like this struck through error.:
Kennedy's-Ghost?
On the OP's coin the mark is on the outside face of the die. Thus no devices have marks through the devices, just inside the fields or outside edge of the die.
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coop: You could keep it. But as far as selling, even with varieties a good price now days is hard to find. Or you could sell it as a normal coin. I would label it and keep if for now.

The coin in question is sealed in mint cello as part of a 1965 SMS. I wouldn't dare separate the half from the set. I guess I will do as you suggested and tuck it away for future study.
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