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Valued Member
Canada
457 Posts |
My wife was giving me a hard time about my coin addiction recently  and I told her not to worry as she could probably get most of the money back in an emergency if we had to.( I know I know but a little white lie helps keep the marriage bliss )  My question is how much does everyone think most people loose on their collections. A- when they die and family members sell as a bulk lot. B- when people run in to money problems and sell their stuff quickly. Next question Has anyone made arrangements with a coin collector or friend to help family members get a fair price for their coins after your dead. Maybe the Coin Community Family could start a program  My guess for the questions above would be losses in the 75% + Range 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1150 Posts |
75 percent?! No way, Jose. I try to buy mostly slabbed stuff so, with a little education into coin grades/valuation, my wife and kids can quickly and easily get full market value for them when I croak.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1554 Posts |
 I agree, all my coins are Certified and this is one of the major reasons behind my madness. If ever anything happens to me, my children have instructions on how to liquidate. And having everything Certified just makes it that much more simple. Glenn 
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Valued Member
Canada
386 Posts |
I agree 100% with Glenzy1. Leave detailed disposition instructions with family members.
There is a huge industry out there (aka traveling roadshows) that are preying on widows and family members of deceased coin collectors. They put out huge full page ads in local newspapers to fool people into thinking anyone with large color ads promising immediate cash money must be legit.
I had friend visit one such roadshow and he told me they are paying 30% of bullion value at most for coins. At least most coin dealers pay typically 75% of bullion value (for non-key dates).
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Sounds like 'fire sale' thinking to me. It need not be like that, and especially not with the disposal of a coin collection, if you go about it the right way.
If your wife is giving you a hard time try to tell her of the problems of a 'fire sale' type of mentality and the possibility of not getting as much money for the collection as you should do.
Generally, most collectors build their collection over a lengthy period, and have a lot of fun doing so. This should also provide you with the clue on how to sell it.
Take your time, and have a lot of fun selling it. If you can't sell it yourself because you may be old and dodery at the end of your life, instruct someone you can trust in your family to do it for you, and how you think would be the best way to sell it. Most of the clues in doing that will come out of the methods you used to buy it in the first place.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1554 Posts |
 Also bear in mind the average Canadian/U.S. (baby boomer Generation>persons born between 1945-1964) lives to about 75-80 years old. A lot also depends about genetics, lifestyle and health habits. Now bear in mind that regardless of the size of your collection or it's value, it has to either be sold or passed down sooner or later. Most of the new Generations coming up have no interest in coin collecting as the Baby Boomer Generation had since video games and hard core drugs weren't as readily available. Therefore, with this in mind, I feel it would be to everyone's best interest in planning to liquidate your Collection when you still have your health/sanity and are alive and well. Perhaps around the age of 65-70. This way you can R.I.P. knowing your collection will be cherished by fellow Collectors and your family is looked after by the "money" you left 'em! Glenn 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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As a frequent buyer of coins I think people who believe a slabbed coin is going to protect its value for a future wife or heir is likely more than a little hopeful. Market conditions and venue conditions change constantly and wishful thinking plays little part in it. Add to that the uncertainty of auction commissions - I doubt you'll ever find a single, friendly private collector who wants to purchase them all - and you have a recipe for disaster. My advice to collectors is standard: sell while you're alive and still able to control at least something of the exchange.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10038 Posts |
Quote: Most of the new Generations coming up have no interest in coin collecting as the Baby Boomer Generation had since video games and hard core drugs weren't as readily available. Several times tHis subject has come up in different hobbies I am in. One thing was pointed out to me that made sense. During younger years, I was odd b/c I liked coins. As life goes on, one finds themselves focused on school choices, career choices, marriage, kids, etc. After this is established and the kids get more independent, more time is available for hobbies that last. Beanie Babies, beer cans (I remember when this was all the rage) and other "fad" hobbies generally draw the younger groups who are "doing it b/c everyone else is." These hobbies die out after a little while and retain few die- hards. And, BTW, I have nothing against people who like these things - if they like it - let them do it! Coins, stamps, bottles, etc. are old hobbies which have large followings. I think this will continue b/c as we get older (and hopefully wiser), we start feeling a tie to the past and historic items. We all start to reminisce about the 'good ol' days." As to what to do if I was taken suddenly, my wife and I talked about this just recently. I told her CCF IF she would need to sell, then CCF would be the place to go to get advice if I have not got it all inventoried by that time. I trust the people in the CCF family. We have an amazing group here. Although I am hoping she will never need sell and the kids get it.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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(a) if someone's heir sells as a package they are highly likely to suffer some heavy losses (collector value, NOT bullion value). dealers or collectors are going to pay for the cherries but not the 'dead stock'. slabbed or not, what YOU collect isn't always going to be desireable to someone else. no one's going to pay for something that is going to take time to sell. I don't know if you would even get your TPG fees back out of a bunch of them. unless someone is willing to sell them off one at a time you are going to get below wholesale, the larger the collection the larger the loss. (b) people who are desperate do silly things. you can't eat a slabbed coin. you can't keep warm and dry either (well UGLY could probably build a house out of his, but the rest of us are screwed!) best thing you could do for your family is catalog it all and try to educate them. if they aren't interested then sell it off and take a vacation.
Edited by Wade 02/08/2012 10:20 am
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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I guess I'm lucky,my oldest son is also a collector,he knows what to do when the time comes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
759 Posts |
My cost basis is so low in total, in many cases $0 or face, that whether it be by death or emergency fire sale, whoever sells my collection will realize a profit over my cost. Now on any items acquired within say, the last year or two, despite being acquired below market prices at the time, I could see the possibility of a 10-20% loss on those items alone in a liquidation, mostly due to selling fees. If gold were at $350 an ounce and silver $8, things would be at about break even. I have an Excel spreadsheet set up the lists bullion values on each coin based on inputs and estimated wholesale values updated annually. So should my kids not want to pursue collecting, they have no excuse to receive anything less than a fair deal at the time, which again, will certainly be over my cost. I have it all teed up for them. They just have to use it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
629 Posts |
Who ever gets my collection will get 100% profit since they would have nothing in it! I would hope that they would take some time to see what is worth what but it's their's now to do with it what they want.
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Valued Member
Canada
223 Posts |
Well l guess it would depend when l die first of all. As it sits now my collection goes to my grandson and hopefully he isn't in a position where he ever "needs" to sell it but if he does there are instructions - via spreadsheet - of which ones have the most value, lowest mintages etc so it can at least be dealt with at a minimal loss.
No one is going to want to buy everything as a lot in may cases. While they may like the dollars or the halves, maybe even the quarters not alot of people will be interested in the penny book or at least not as a group.
We collect what WE like and hopefully someone else likes it too but be realistic, l have 45 different 1964 pennies and there are people here with more than that in other years, how many people want that kind of focus besides those of us who put them together.
Hopefully if instructions are followed and the right people contacted, even if he does decide to get rid of it he will get fair market value for it but as was said above, for him its all profit since it didnt cost him anything.
Im putting together a penny date set for him, well trying to lol from 37 to date hoping if l spark an interest for him he will be more prone to keep what he gets but in the end lm sure alot of our sets will be broken up and our hard work scattered to other collectors and really lm not sure thats such a bad thing either.
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Valued Member
United States
362 Posts |
I know first hand what happens in a "Fire Sale". I lost my job this past June and we ran into money issues a few times and I had to sell some of my collection. If I had had time to post them here and wait for a buyer I could have at least broke even, but I had to go to my coin dealer and I ended up losing about 20-25% on each on average. Granted, I did not have any graded coin, just raw but most were in XF-AU condition. I have talked to my wife in depth about NOT doing this if I were to pass before she does. I do have a decent inventory list on hand but I never kept track of what I spent. I didn't see the need as the market does vary and one coin may be worth $X today maybe worth more or less later. My wife is aware that my coin is not a savings account or an emergency fund to raid as I have explained we would not be able to get full retail if we had to sell quickly,as my prior "Fire Sale" illustrated to her. So,we now have worked out our financials so we should not be in that position again. I will let her know that in the event of my passing to come to you guys for help.
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Valued Member
 Canada
457 Posts |
It seams most of the people on here have let their family know how to sell in the event of their death. I guess it all comes down to educating everyone concerned. one of the things that got me thinking about this is the posts on Asyn and where they get all their coins. I have a lot of different books that I bought over the years, I'm always showing my wife and kids some of the higher priced stuff that we have but it never occurred to me to keep a spread sheet of trends of my stuff. might be something to work on  As long as my wife never gets a hold of it while I'm still alive ... wouldn't want her to know how much I've spent over the years LOL
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I would love to be able to pass my set down to my daughter. She's only 4 but I've been teaching her coins and value. She hasn't quite got it yet but here's hoping. My collection is mostly bullion and silver quarters so aside from silver content there isn't much more value to them. Well at least not to most other people. Myself I love my sets more than the money I paid to put them together but if they were to be sold off by my wife in the event of my passing and assuming silver is still worth what it is today..I would bet that I would take a 20% loss. My wife understands what spot price is because she hears me talking about it but she doesn't care nor want to hear about my collecting. Too bad :-(
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