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How long do you think it will take for the left facing Jefferson nickels to be a collector's item? Technically, it is an obsolete design because it has not been issued since 2003. But because they minted so many of them from 1938-2003, it is an issue I want to talk about. Give your opinions on this matter, and please, no sarcastic, vague or facetious answers.

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 Only if the nickel is discontinued and retired.
 Only if the metal in nickels skyrocket in value & is traded like pre 1965 coinage.
 If it happens, it won't be during my lifetime. I'm already too old.
 More forward facing Jefferson nickels need to be in circulation for that to happen.
 It will happen only if Jefferson is removed from the nickel.
 I think it will happen, but not for at least 20 years.
 The only sideway Jefferson's that will go up in value are pre 1960's.
 I think at least two or more of these scenarios will cause them to disappear from circulation.

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Many of us collect Jeffersons already. Already War Nickels are collectible. So I am not sure what you are asking exactly. Perhaps you meant to ask "What would drive up the value of Jefferson nickels?"...Apparently, even the 2009 nickel is being hoarded due to low mintage...although as we all know mintage figures alone are not enough to determine true value or actual rarity....
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So I am not sure what you are asking exactly


Every nickel with Thomas Jefferson minted on it from 1938-2003 has him facing to the left, right? Then in 2004 and 2005, the Westward Journey nickels were minted with a different obverse side of Jefferson. Finally in 2006, the obverse was changed to the design we know today.

I don't mean to come off rude, but the question was very simple. I'm asking ONLY about the 1938-2003 nickels.
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A composition change as well as another few decades of inflation would drive the price up and encourage hoarding.
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I'm going to take a stab at your question, I think I know what you're getting at. The short answer, is not any time soon. Why? The Jefferson nickel is one of the most popular coins to collect. There are plenty of them out there in all years and grades and I would be willing to bet many, many completed sets. They are relatively inexpensive coins to buy now, even the keys are affordable (hence, so popular a set).
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I think it's a pretty close parallel to wheat cents, but minus the key dates. It's a popular, widely collected series, and circulated common dates will be found in circulation for a long time (even 50 years after then change!) and won't be worth much over face. Like wheat cents, only one side changes, and the difference in value over face will be as much about the composition change that comes down the road.
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I think there are too many in circulation for them to really be worth anything. That is why I voted for them to disappear only if their metal composition became the main factor.
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I feel like the Jefferson nickel has been a collector's item since 1938 when they started making them. I have enjoyed collecting them for the last fifteen years. War Nickels and five or ten of the more key dates will always have a small premium. The best answer is the "all of the above", but metal value is the only way all of them from 1938-2003 will ever be a collector's item with a premium.
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I don't mean to come off rude, but the question was very simple. I'm asking ONLY about the 1938-2003 nickels.

The question is not that simple. What do you mean by "collectors item"? Do you have a specific value range in mind? And do only a few have to reach that value or the lowest priced one? Or do you mean until they disappear from circulation and the only way to get them is to buy them?
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The question is not that simple. What do you mean by "collectors item"? Do you have a specific value range in mind? And do only a few have to reach that value or the lowest priced one? Or do you mean until they disappear from circulation and the only way to get them is to buy them?


Since the design is obsolete, I personally think that the sideways Jefferson's will start disappearing from circulation based on their design, the years they were minted, and perhaps their metal content.

To answer your last question, yes. That's one thing I am wondering about (how many need to be gone from circulation to the point where buying them is one of the very few ways to own them, without having to search through hundreds and hundreds of boxes of nickels).
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Look at the current popularity of Lincoln cents for collecting. Just in this forum alone people have recently found 1909 VDB cents from rolls. That is over 100 years old! And that is WITH copper hoarding already taking place. My friend....it will be our grandkids, who if nickels are still circulating will be roll hunting for pre-60 nickels and only finding 10 in a $100 box. The only other way to make them evaporate...the fed pulls them or nickel metal values skyrocket.
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My choice is "Only if the nickel is discontinued and retired."

Political pressure will never allow Jefferson to be removed from the nickel and I honestly think the government will figure out that composition change is a lost cause. Some of the other choices may be favourable, but I am optimistic that they will cease minting the nickel long before the other factors come into play.

Once the nickel is retired it will be hoarded. Not everyone will do it, but the number of those that do will be more than enough to drain the circulating supply in short time.

Of course, this is my opinion; I could be wrong.
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Nice realistic type poll. Almost all negative reasons why it is one of the least popular coins for collecting. I would say they hall will be a collectors item when the 1964 ones finaally vanish. I wonder if in the year 3548 people will still be finding the 1964 Jefferson nickels in change. And then thoes too will join the Bicentennial Quarters as the most sought after coin on Earth.
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Thanks for the clarification. Typically when a design changes it seems to take about 15 to 20 years for the bulk of the old design to disappear from circulation unless something intervenes to change the rate such as a change in composition which will make them disappear faster, or a major recession/depression which will make them stick around longer. The Buffalo nickels were still commonly encountered in the 50's but were pretty much gone by the early 60's. Wheat cents were still common into the mid 70's. The zinc cents were copper plated to help make them indistinguishable from the copper cents but by 2008 the percentage of copper cents in circulation had dropped to under 20%, then the economic collapse in 2008 returned many coins to circulation and the percentage rose to around 30%. It has been falling since then.

With this in mind I would expect the sideways Jefferson's will still be commonly encountered until at least 2020 and won't really gone until about 2027. This assumes no noticeable composition change. With a major change I would move that up to within five to six years after the change is made. For example if they switch to a steel composition in 2014 (which is about the earliest it could happen) I would expect most of them to be gone by 2020. Followed by the pulling of the rest of the copper nickel jeffersons within the next couple of years and all the circulating nickels being steel by 2024.
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I started to "hoard" the Jefferson nickel but lately I've been rolling them back up and returning them back to the bank. I would use the cash to buy silver.
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OT: Just Carl made an interesting observation, comparing almost all Bicentennials to the nickel. However, I am betting that just maybe that 50 years after the bicentennial (when I am 59!) Bicentennials will finally really take off. But, I digress...
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