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I am thinking about starting a collection of American Silver Eagles Proofs.
I see sets from 1986-2006 for around 1600 PCGS graded PR69

What are good prices to pay for a set like that.

Does it make more sense for me to purchase non graded coins and have it done myself?

Thanks for all the help
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I wouldn't waste my money on graded proofs. 99.9 percent of proofs are going to grade PF69 or 70 anyway so I don't see the sense in paying another $20 just to have a coin graded when you already know what the coin will grade.

Half the fun is in the hunt for each coin in my opinion. If I were you, and I'm sure we'll get varying opinions on this, I would buy ungraded proofs and put them in a nice Dansco album or something along those lines. To me it would be more satisfying and eye appealing to see your Silver Eagle Proof Set in a nice album rather than in pieces of plastic (although I do have some pricier coins in PCGS/NGC slabs) that make it hard to view the whole shebang at once.
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I agree with that about the hunt for the coins.

Im trying to get the 2011-p reverse proof as my first coin.

About getting graded ASE it seems that you can pay the same amount for a 69 grade and one not graded. Wouldnt you want the 69 in that case?

Also I have seen some PR69 that had spots on the coins. Why would they grade it 69 when it has that. Are the spots coming after being graded?
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All of my proof ASE's are ungraded and are in the mint capsules with most bought directly from the mint. They are a beautiful set and I look forward to each year's addition. If you want to focus on a graded set that is your prerogative but I won't go the extra expense as the mint's packaging are fine with me.
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What do you think is a good price for the 2011-p Reverse Proof
PCGS PR70 First Strike
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Muddler,

I wouldn't mind going that route but it just seems like you get a better deal buying the PR69 Graded than just in box from mint.
I guess maybe I could get lucky sending them in and maybe get a 70 grade but I have no idea what the odds are for that.
I see a set on ebay 2001-2011 in mint box and its less than 70 a coin. That seems to be a good deal
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Many of us like the up close and personal relationship with a raw coin. Mitch is correct that most proofs from the mint should be 69 or 70. But, a number of those 69 and 70's will still not satisfy me. Many will have spots which will not prevent it from obtaining a 69 or 70 grade especially with the huge number going to TPGs.

All of the proofs are still around to be had. Look at as many with good photos as possible and you'll see what I mean. Or, visit a coin store with a loop. So then it depends on what you want in your collection. I have both raw and slabbed. A raw coin will still give you a sense the slabbed ones don't.

Best of luck in your purchases.
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 Posted 02/26/2012  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ant024 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be a stupid question but why does a coin with spots still have the ability to get a 69 rating ?
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At one time, PCGS was reluctant to grade a silver eagle at a 70 because of the high probability of the appearance of "milk spots," even after being encapsulated. So yes, coins can get a high grade and then develop milk spots but it is also possible that PCGS will honor their grading guarantee and rectify the situation.
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, ant024!

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What do you think is a good price for the 2011-p Reverse Proof
PCGS PR70 First Strike


Same price as a 68, because the minute you open the holder, that's all it is.

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Why would anyone ever open the coin after being graded
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to the Community!

I moved your topic to a more appropriate forum.
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Many collectors do that, the percentage I do not know. Personal preference has a lot, if not all, to do with it. I can certainly understand their decision and to each their own.

Take the ASE for instance, if your collection was made up of raw, NGC and PCGS graded coins, how are you going to store them, how are you going to protect them, do you want to be able to show them off, and in what manner will they present the best? All valid questions a collector ponders and will even change over their collecting lives.

Why does someone even collect them? For their numismatic value, beauty, investment...? If I collected my ASE's for their beauty for example, and have hand selected each and everyone, and have no intention of ever selling, does a slab mean anything to me if I know it has been graded a 69 or 70? All I care about is for each and every issuance I am very satisfied that particular coin is the one I want for my collection.

So for presentation purposes and storage, I might crack all the slabs and put them in a nice Dansco or other storage median.

Personal preference is the key. I did not mean to ramble on.
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I've bought 3 ASE 1987's, all of them stored in flips;
One as an example in my collection for the beauty of the designs and it was minted in my birth year, the other two for the fun of "Spot is X, these are worth X today!", and one of those so that I can take it out and hold it every once in a while

Unless I came into a BIG stack of money that I'd feel comfortable spending on Coins, I neither need nor want any more of them.
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Why would anyone ever open the coin after being graded
To put it in my album.

I have yet to do so, but the only two reasons why I would buy a graded coin are authentication and availability (the number of raw key dates seems to be steadily decreasing).
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