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New Member
United States
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I've seen this on slabbed/graded coins.
Some look great, others have clearly been polished/brushed clean.
With that said -- how do you "properly" clean a coin? Is there no proper way?
I've heard soaking a penny in olive oil (feel free to laugh, no idea of this is true or not) and rubbing it with a cotton towel is considered a proper cleaning.
Just curious -- I have no intention of cleaning anything that I have at the moment, I'm just wondering how you do it properly.
Ian
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1054 Posts |
Any cleaning at all is not a good cleaning. Even dipping a coin can have it's ill effects, and TPG's will still find out.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4132 Posts |
The general rule is "don't ever do it". Never ever clean a coin! Of course, it gets complicated. It's common, for instance, for encrusted ancient coins to be cleaned (soaking in olive oil is a popular method). I don't recommend that method for modern coins, and I don't know enough about ancients to be more specific.
Sometimes coins have grease, glue, crud or other foreign matter on them. This can be removed with a rinse in acetone (pure acetone - nail polish remover WILL NOT DO). Acetone will not harm the metal or patina, but be careful not to scratch the coin while handling. Acetone has the advantage of evaporating quickly and completely, so don't attempt to rinse the coin in water afterwards. Use the search function to find out how to do this safely - there are many threads on the subject.
Some people will recommend trying to conserve coins with verdigris or corrosion. There are differing opinions on this, and it requires special techniques. It's definitely an "advanced" subject.
Coins should really never never ever be scrubbed, rubbed or buffed. You should never ever try to remove tarnish or patina or discoloration. Don't use baking soda. Don't use acids. Don't use abrasives. Don't use soap.
Remember, you can always take more action later, but you can't ever undo a cleaning any more than you can unring a bell. It's almost always better to err on the side of doing less.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Rule of thumb is not to clean a coin. However, if you have a really crusty coin, has very little value because of dirt and grime on it, and you soak in olive oil or acetone and it comes out much nicer as a result, the value actually has climbed in my opinion- eye appeal means a world of difference for someone buying a coin. Also, one of our forum members has a verdigras removal chemical that seems very mild- not harsh- this is a type of cleaning, but it imprves the appearance of the coin substantially.
If one can clean a coin without it having the look of being cleaned (acetone, olive oil, verdigras removal- gentle- none are abrasive and no rubbing or scrubbing is involved), and you have some coins you can test it on that won't matter if you screw it up, then try it.
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Moderator
 United States
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There are differences between cleaning (bad) and conservation (good). These differences can seem insignificant and I do not believe there are simple rules to distinguish the two. Education and experience are the only ways to know right from wrong when it comes to this subject. There have been many posts over the years, too many for me to link them all. I recommend doing a search for the two terms, cleaning and conservation (both together and apart) and start reading. Everyone, feel free to post here as well; it will only add to the educational arsenal of this site. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Oh man, I wish you guys had said something before I loaded my rock tumbler.... 
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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New Member
 United States
44 Posts |
Thanks for the good info.
This leads me to my next question -- why don't they just label coins cleaned instead of improperly cleaned? It seems there no real way to properly clean a coin (other than wiping it off.)
Thanks for the info!
Ian
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1054 Posts |
That's a good question. I would think that "improperly cleaned" is anything that a TPG can find. Whether it's a minute hairline or something much more drastic. The key here is, since we are on the subject of TPG's, is discretion. Whatever they say pretty much goes. I think a good person, or group, of people to consult with is like NCS or other conservation company. They conserve coins and currency for a living, so they will know what that grey shaded area comprises of.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: why don't they just label coins cleaned instead of improperly cleaned? I think it implies that undetectable cleaning is okay, which is not difficult to argue. If I cannot tell a coin was cleaned, does it really matter to me?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19931 Posts |
What jbuck said!
I guess they use "improperly" because they think there's a "properly" cleaned designation. LOL
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
14454 Posts |
Quote: (other than wiping it off.) Actually wiping a coin is the most frequently seen way to improperly clean a coin. When you wipe a coin it leaves scratches on the surface that can clearly be seen but if you dip a coin in something that doesn't remove metal or bother the surface you most likely will not be able to tell. You should never rub a coin with anything
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Valued Member
United States
167 Posts |
I've had things come back improperly cleaned. Some had hairlines. Some had tons of hairlines and I should have realized it before I sent it in. Another one had a wheel mark on the obverse -- I didn't notice till I saw the label - it sure did.
Another dealer told me PCGS has a "sniffer" - so if they detect residue of certain chemicals then they reject them even without looking at them.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
IIRC, the sniffer is only used on their premium service.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19931 Posts |
Yes, the "sniffer" is only used at PCGS for SecurePlus submissions OR, if they suspect a coin has been tamper with.....and I think they'd only do that for high-end coins.
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Valued Member
United States
167 Posts |
That would make more sense, I figured running every coin through a machine would be time consuming... but I wasn't about to argue with the dealer who told me.
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United States
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