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Indian Head And LMC With Blank Reverse

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Hi, I came across two pennies, one an Indian head, the other a lincoln. They both appear 100% normal on the obverse but blank on the reverse. Are these just Magician's coins that have had the reverse sanded off? I dont notice and rough marks or swirls or scratches. Is this even possible being the obverse and revers get struck at the same time? Also would it be possible if two planchets entered the press at the same time then two coins would be created, one with a blank reverse and one with a blank obverse?
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They used to make love tokens years ago. They would sand a fave clear and then engrave initials/dates on them. Most of the time you see these on silver though. I linking your example is lack the rim as the sanding removes that area first.
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yup, you're right, no rim. I noticed this before and thought that being black planchets don't have rims if it was caused by two entering the press the reverse wouldn't have the rim. Although I just held the lincoln next to a normal lincoln and the one missing the reverse seems thinner. When I rolled them the entire thickness was about as thick as the thinnest edge of the normal cent, if that makes any sense. Sorry about not posting pictures, but I didn't want to go through the trouble if this is obviously PMD and mint error missing reverse cents just plain do not exist.
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The planchets are usually the same thickness (Except the copper nickel cents), They are cut and then run through an upset mill that adds the rim to the coin to keep them from wearing so quickly So when they coin looses its rims they seem thinner, but just because the rim is missing. You see this on older circulated wheat cents. Thus when tampered with the missing rim makes the coin seem thinner.
Here is the difference. (The first two images before they are plated.)
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The first thing to do with any coin that has no design on one side is to weigh the piece. If it is under normal Weight Tolerance, you can rest assured that the coin was ground down to remove the design.

The other tell-tale sign is that the coin is struck on one side but has no rim on the other side. This is impossible.
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Yup no rims, weighed light. Sanded down reverse as I expected. Just out of pure curiosity, what would happen if two planchets entered the press at the same time?
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