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Is This 1921-S Buffalo Acid-Treated?

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 Posted 05/10/2012  10:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The seller of this 1921-S makes no mention of it being acid-treated. Sure looks it to me ... What say you?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921S-BUFFA...em25704a9940

Also note that the seller is offering a 1914-D and a 1913-S variety 2 that also look acid-treated. Again, there's no mention.
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 Posted 05/10/2012  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah its acid treated, big time. 100% feedback is subject to change.

I wrote tapsaero:
" Why don't you mention these Buffalo nickels 1921S 1914D and 1913D ty 2 are soaked in vinegar to restore details. Either that or acid treated? Also you spelled nickel wrong."

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Edited by TNG
05/10/2012 10:27 pm
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 Posted 05/10/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NYBrian84 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's really shady of someone to pass them off as untreated nickels.
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 Posted 05/10/2012  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes, acid treatment makes absolutely horrid looking coins appear to be a good bit better. The down side is obvious damage to the coin.

Problem: Is the seller obligated to mention that a coin has been cleaned?

With modern coins, only should be done with coins that have no value above face.
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 Posted 05/11/2012  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Problem: Is the seller obligated to mention that a coin has been cleaned?

Sel, good question. I saw a slabbed coin on Craiglist that was ungraded but "Genuine" and the number showed it was cleaned. Wrote to the seller and told him. His reply was "It was cleaned so you do not have to buy it." He never did change the listing saying cleaned.
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 Posted 05/11/2012  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add f16 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah that is acid treated
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 Posted 05/11/2012  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Acid treated coins have a certain appearance that is easy to spot once you've seen a bunch of them. The surfaces always have a dead, ugly look to them.
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 Posted 05/11/2012  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think asking $300.00 for a 1921S that is barely identifiable, $200.00 for a 1914D and $50.00 for a 1913D Ty2 in the altered conditions these are in is blatant deception.
Not telling the truth is dishonest, just as much as telling a lie.
Whether they are obligated to disclose this or not is one thing, but to price the coins in the ranges he has is another. The open bid on the 1914D implies that it is in a natural state in a grade between VF and XF. The 1921S in F to VF and the 1913D Ty 2 in almost G which none of these come close to being worth ( to some collectors ) more than 1/10th of his open bid.
The details these now "appear" to have puts them in the same ranges as coins not tampered with.

Speaking for myself, as I know there are others who prize these here. They certainly have the right to collect whatever they want. For me, acid treated coins have little to no numismatic value except as hole fillers if a collector can't afford one in a natural unaltered state.
At least the good members I have seen here who do have some enthusiasm about the restored nickels, don't try to get unrealistic prices for them and do disclose the true condition of the coins they deal in, and I certainly respect that.
Unfortunately some of these coins that are restored can be sloughed off as normal when being resold on ebay.

It all comes down to this I suppose, buyer beware and be educated. This forum has all the information within it to help us from making mistakes on buying coins like these at those prices.
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An acid dated '21-S should be less than $10. My rule of thumb is a 90% discount from retail G4 price, maybe 80% if it's a really nice restoration. But no matter what, it should not sell for more than an original coin with a readable date.

Even though I'm sorta a "pro-acid" guy, I would never do a '21-S because you don't need to be able to read the date to identify it. Acid is the last resort.
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 Posted 05/11/2012  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Acid treated for sure. Interessted to know if the seller will respond to yuou The NickelGuy and/or modify the listing.
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 Posted 05/11/2012  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The listing now states the coin is acid or vinegar treated. Still drastically overpriced but at least the defect is now reported.
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 Posted 05/11/2012  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I see all three are now acid treated or soaked in vinegar in the description. I must tip my hat to this seller for changing it and will write them in appreciation. They won't sell at these prices, I hope not at those prices anyway, but if they do it's the buyers problem not the seller.
He even corrected the nickel spelling!
I am impressed. Not your usual response in cases like this.

EDIT: I wrote him:
Thank you for the corrections on the restored date nickels, and I think that was quite good of you. Best of luck.
Edited by TNG
05/11/2012 12:08 pm
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Obvious soak. I think a whole coin soak really makes it look ugly, as opposed to a rough area around the restored date.
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