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What Should I Get For An Affordable US Type Set?

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One of my relatively few actual goals for my collection had for a long time been a US type set (or something approximating it).
However, me being a student, I'm somewhat limited as for how much money would I be able to use to buy the coins (e.g. the highest amount I would ever pay for any single coin is about $100 unless it's made of gold, and if possible the total shouldn't go beyond $500).
I understand that over here it's more a question of seeing the coin being offered at all than of anything else, and I already feel bad for missing out on a $30 Barber quarter (if still not sure if it was a fair price to this day).
But even with that, this is still a valid question: which years (and mintmarks, if applicable) are the cheapest for any specific type to get in any decent condition (by which I mean reasonably readable and not completely ugly), and how much they would likely be worth?

Assume, if it's easier to you, that my definition of "type set" approximates a Dansco 7070; it's actually much closer to the one used on this very site's Coin Facts page (e.g. I feel the Seated Liberty issues are only one type per denomination - but insights on Dansco 7070's subtypes would also be helpful).

For the record, here's what I already have (obsolete-before-1998 types only):
1955-S LWC, VF-ish? (all my other LWCs are obviously cleaned)
1907 IHC, XF+ (my most recent purchase)
1841 Braided Hair large cent, VF+ (maybe I should make it my avatar...)
an undated, probably harshly cleaned, Matron Head large cent (hey, it was cheap enough, and it's not every day that you see a large cent on sale over here)
1945-S (normal S unfortunately) Mercury dime, XF-ish (and an 1943 in somewhat lower grade)
1941-S Walker half, F-ish? (would've probably been beautiful had it been any better grade, but as it is I like the 1945 dime much more)
1923-S Peace dollar, AG-2 (that or FR-3 - this is what I'd call a hole filler: details are probably FR, but the date and mintmark's there)
an Eisenhower dollar in XF-ish I don't remember the date of
and a bicentennial half (I used to also have a quarter, but haven't seen it in ages).
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 Posted 05/14/2012  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds like a good start for the 20th Century Type Set (except the Large Cent which could develop into a 7070 Type Set (Major Types from 1800)).

There are numerous types of sets that you can accumulate. For instance, all of the mints for the Morgan dollars (P,D,S,O and CC) Your imagination is the only limit...well, there is the pocket book factor as well.
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Sounds like a good start for the 20th Century Type Set (except the Large Cent which could develop into a 7070 Type Set (Major Types from 1800)).

There are numerous types of sets that you can accumulate. For instance, all of the mints for the Morgan dollars (P,D,S,O and CC) Your imagination is the only limit...well, there is the pocket book factor as well.


So, for a 20th century non-gold type set I'm missing... well, if I'm counting correctly: all Barbers of course (dime, quarter and half), a SLQ, a Franklin half, a Morgan dollar, a Buffalo nickel and a V nickel (a bicentennial dollar would also be cool, but there I'd probably just buy a silver proof set because it's easier than trying to find a clad single).
And about three times that for a full 1800+ set this also includes some rather hard "type keys" as I'd put it (e.g. Flying Eagle cents, Twenty Cent Pieces, or pretty much anything from before ca. 1820).

As for the P/D/S/O/CC mints, it's still in my near-immediate plans to get a coin from all five mints, but they're not going to all be Morgans - especially the CC (though as I'm still going to need a Morgan either way it might be worth it to make it an O). I of course already have examples of P/D/S (though my Denver coins didn't make it to the "obsolete types" list - well, not specific ones at least, I think one of my cleaned wheats was a D).
My current choice for CC is either "highest CC mintage" 1876 or "that one year when CC made most" 1877 Seated Liberty dime - though 1875 is also a possibility. No idea though as for what are the prices involved; also, any other suggestions?

Either way, you still didn't answer my original question what I'm asking for is basically the opposite of key dates. That is, which dates (and/or mintmarks if applicable) are the easiest to get (and/or cheapest in price) for a particular (sub)type, and what are the prices in question (in various grades)? If you feel that I shouldn't try to get a specific type at all (e.g. too rare and/or too pricey), say so as well.

Hope you'll actually help me now (No offence to you oih82w8 - my imagination is the only limit... as long as it doesn't lead me into way too expensive coins. Oh, and almost forgot: I don't want any MS - wouldn't know how to keep those!)
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For the 20 c, you will probably be looking for 1875S. For most coins, there is a pretty good sized list of common ones which are all the same price. Have you checked out numismedia.com?
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It's definitely very affordable - definitely more affordable than trying a Russian type set.
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january1may . . I tried to send you an e-mail but could not. I imagine the selection of American coins is limited for you. PM me and I will be happy to send you items like a V nickel, Buffalo nickel and a wartime Silver nickel. Also the Bicentennial clad dollar and will throw in some LWC's you may not have like the 1943 Steel cent.

When you reach 50 posts I can help you with the silver coinage you need. (Barbers, SLQ, Franklin, Morgan and an upgrade to your AG Peace) We can work out a trade for equal weight of any interesting European silver coins you may have available. Let me know if you are interested.
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There are other types of type sets available. As a start you may want to do a little research in Google or Yahoo for those different ones. For example there is a 20th Century only type of type set. The Dansco 7070 is only one of many. Also, check out wizard coin supply for many of those.
And although you only have a few posts here, if you stick around this forum for a while and accumulate more posts, you could buy coins from members. Might be a lot cheaper and less of a problem than places like ebay.
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 Posted 05/16/2012  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's definitely very affordable - definitely more affordable than trying a Russian type set.


Well, that depends on how much of a type set you're going for but IMHO it's mostly just due to a few serious rarities counting as their own types rather than anything else - often coins that were never really intended for circulation, and are probably better categorized as patterns (1777 Sestroretsk copper rouble anyone?), but not always (e.g. coins of the 1762 "armature" series which were almost all struck over so hardly any examples remain).

I'm currently trying to assemble a type set of the one-copeck denomination (which I've got interested in); as of right now I'm only missing five non-pattern types from 1750-date - of which two are common Soviets only distinguished by number of ribbons (so I just didn't consider them as different types until very recently), and two are rarities well into the $100+ range (one very famous but noticeably cheaper, and one fairly obscure but more expensive) - but there wasn't a single coin in that set which I paid more than about $7 for (I might have to pay $10 or so for the fifth hole - the Elizabeth I copeck - but even then $7 is possible in low enough grade), and I'd better just leave the two "rarity" holes as is than try to buy the coins (especially since the famous rarity is very often faked, and I've never seen the obscure one on offer anywhere).


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For the 20 c, you will probably be looking for 1875S. For most coins, there is a pretty good sized list of common ones which are all the same price. Have you checked out numismedia.com?


Thanks for the link! I've seen that site several times before but didn't remember what the URL was; unlucky though that they didn't have prices for the first three grades (PO, FR and especially AG) - anyone knows a price guide which does? (The G and VG prices also seem much lower than they should really be for many issues - notably Charlotte and Dahlonega coins, where I would especially prefer a fair estimate so that I can tell whether all of them are out of my price range or if there are some which are cheap enough; still thanks for the link!)

The original question is actually for all series, not only for 20c In fact, the twenty-cent pieces are actually the easiest as far as this question goes because the highest mintage is an order of magnitude more than any other; just about anything else will be harder.


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january1may . . I tried to send you an e-mail but could not. I imagine the selection of American coins is limited for you. PM me and I will be happy to send you items like a V nickel, Buffalo nickel and a wartime Silver nickel. Also the Bicentennial clad dollar and will throw in some LWC's you may not have like the 1943 Steel cent.

When you reach 50 posts I can help you with the silver coinage you need. (Barbers, SLQ, Franklin, Morgan and an upgrade to your AG Peace) We can work out a trade for equal weight of any interesting European silver coins you may have available. Let me know if you are interested.


I expected there would be a reply like this but didn't expect it to be so serious. Are you really up to the task of sending something to my country? I would've tried to send something interesting in return, but I certainly feel that I'm not up to the task of sending any coins abroad (I'm not sure if it's even legal - and I'm actually fairly sure it isn't for pre-1961 Russian coins).

As for trading silver by equal weight - most of the European (by which I mean not from the USA) silver coins in my collection (of which there aren't many in the first place) are either uninteresting, tiny, or uninteresting and tiny. In the immortal words of Uncle Fyodor, "to sell something unneeded, you first need to buy something unneeded, and we don't have the money".
Pretty much the only remaining option? Those very same pre-1961 Russian coins that are illegal to send abroad. So probably no luck here


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There are other types of type sets available. As a start you may want to do a little research in Google or Yahoo for those different ones. For example there is a 20th Century only type of type set. The Dansco 7070 is only one of many. Also, check out wizard coin supply for many of those.
And although you only have a few posts here, if you stick around this forum for a while and accumulate more posts, you could buy coins from members. Might be a lot cheaper and less of a problem than places like ebay.


I'm not going to buy a physical album for it anyway especially since the 1841 large cent is in a 2x2 holder which I'm most assuredly not going to try and crack, and as I go into rarer and/or types I only expect the fraction of holdered coins to increase (I doubt I'll see many old US coins on offer without a holder).
As for buying coins from members, there's the obvious problem of sending the money back I have no idea how to send money abroad without using something that needs a credit card, and, guess what, I don't have a credit card so I either use Molotok.Ru (which, unlike ebay, doesn't specifically want PayPal) or just physically buy from actual dealers on coin markets (which is easier and cheaper but the assortment is somewhat smaller and incredibly biased in favor of Russian and modern European coinage - in my year and a half of semi-serious coin collecting I'm yet to see a Buffalo nickel offered at a market).

OK, that was a very long post Any new suggestions?
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I expected there would be a reply like this but didn't expect it to be so serious. Are you really up to the task of sending something to my country? I would've tried to send something interesting in return, but I certainly feel that I'm not up to the task of sending any coins abroad (I'm not sure if it's even legal - and I'm actually fairly sure it isn't for pre-1961 Russian coins).

So many things are not legal but sending a coin or coins to a Numismatist is probably not high on the governments Federal inforcement people. It is done almost every day. As soon as you reach the amount of posts needed to buy and/or sell, try it and see.
Who knows we may have to start a Russia Forum here.
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Are you really up to the task of sending something to my country?

I don't mind giving it a try. PM me with your address and I will gather some items together.
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So many things are not legal but sending a coin or coins to a Numismatist is probably not high on the governments Federal inforcement people. It is done almost every day. As soon as you reach the amount of posts needed to buy and/or sell, try it and see.
Who knows we may have to start a Russia Forum here.


It's more a question of me never sending any item larger/heavier than letters at all than anything else. I just don't know enough about postage to try and post a large item (and a coin or several with enough packaging that it won't be immediately taken out at the customs is a large item) even to another city - never mind another country but this topic isn't exactly the best place for discussions of this sort.

As for having a Russia forum, there's that one little problem called "language" that is, while there is a huge community of coin collectors in Russia, most of them don't know enough English to have a meaningful discussion here (I'm among the lucky (relatively) few who do).


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I don't mind giving it a try. PM me with your address and I will gather some items together.


Would've loved to if I knew how to PM I looked all over the Rules and FAQ but hadn't found anything about PMs! Is that another feature only appearing at 50 posts?


Now, if anyone knows anything about my original question - that is, which dates are common? E.g., that I should be looking at 1875-S for 20c pieces or 1907 for IHCs (well, I already have one but it is the most common date).
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20 c: 1875S
Eagle cent: 1857 or 1858
Indian cent: 1901-1908
Lincoln Cent: 1909 VDB, 1943 steel, anything from the 40s or 50s for wheat, anything for the copper memorial, anything for the zinc memorial.
2 cent: probably an 1864-66
3 cent: silver and 1851-53, 3 cent nickel 1865-75
Seated dollar: none will be cheap, but 1841 for no motto and 1870-72 for motto would probably be the lowest
Morgan dollar: any philly mint between 1879 and 1888, plus the 1921 coins.
Peace dollar: 1922, 1923 or 1926 any mint, philly mint for 1924 and 1925.
Ike dollar: Anything that is not a 1973 or S mint
Susan B Anthony dollar: Anything.

Sorry out of time, but this should keep you busy a while.
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Would've loved to if I knew how to PM


If you click on my name above the avatar it will take you to my profile page. Under "Contact Information" click on Send an E-Mail. Apparently when you reached 50 posts it unlocked the block on the ability to PM you so I have already sent you a message.

Oh, almost forgot. Congratulations on your 50th post and joining the "Valued Member" group.
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Barber Coins:

Nickels:
1883 Nickel "No Cents" variety - easily obtained and inexpensive.
And other nickel, the years 1900 - 1912 being very reasonable.

Dimes, Quarters and Halves:
One each from the years 1900 to 1916.

That is a total of five coins and consists of a "type" set in my opinion.


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For the SLQ, you will probably want something from around 1925 onward, those can be purchased relatively cheaply in lower but readable grades. For a Washington quarter, if you are going for a silver one, 1950-1964 is reasonable. For half-cents, are you going for all three types or one example? I bought an 1808 for around $40 a couple of months ago. For a half-dime, best bet is probably 1838-1873, skipping 1846, 1863, 1864, 1865, and 1866. For capped bust half-dimes, 1829-1837 looks to be the cheapest. For a Trade dollar, I would suggest one that is graded authentic as there are too many fakes on the market.
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If you click on my name above the avatar it will take you to my profile page. Under "Contact Information" click on Send an E-Mail. Apparently when you reached 50 posts it unlocked the block on the ability to PM you so I have already sent you a message.


It probably wasn't me reaching 50 posts but somewhat earlier than that - when, upon reading your message, I checked my profile and found out that I didn't allow sending email to me changed this immediately after. I think my post count was only 48 at that point (well, whatever - it's over 50 now anyway).
Sent you a reply, BTW


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20 c: 1875S
Eagle cent: 1857 or 1858
Indian cent: 1901-1908
Lincoln Cent: 1909 VDB, 1943 steel, anything from the 40s or 50s for wheat, anything for the copper memorial, anything for the zinc memorial.
2 cent: probably an 1864-66
3 cent: silver and 1851-53, 3 cent nickel 1865-75
Seated dollar: none will be cheap, but 1841 for no motto and 1870-72 for motto would probably be the lowest
Morgan dollar: any philly mint between 1879 and 1888, plus the 1921 coins.
Peace dollar: 1922, 1923 or 1926 any mint, philly mint for 1924 and 1925.
Ike dollar: Anything that is not a 1973 or S mint
Susan B Anthony dollar: Anything.

Sorry out of time, but this should keep you busy a while.


I already have an Ike dollar My father also has a SBA dollar, but I don't (he's trying to make a set of modern dollar coins, which apparently consists of a SBA, a Sacagawea, a Canadian loonie and a Mexican peso; I already tried to offer him the Ike but he's not interested yet).
I'll check my favorite coin shop as to what Morgans they have on offer. Is $50 a fair price for what would probably be a XF? Same for Peace dollars as well (doubt they would have Seated ones).
Never seen any 2 or 3 cent coins offered yet outside Molotok, but this'll be something to look out for
I think what you posted for Flying Eagle cents is pretty much a tautology (of course I won't be getting an 1856). Then again, never seen any of those on offer, either.
I already have (not counting obviously cleaned coins) an 1955-S to represent wheats, an 1968 (don't remember the mintmark) to represent copper memorials, and loads of zinc memorials, but would be glad to get any other dates (especially early wheats - I would love to have, say, an 1919-S with VDB still visible but, well, I can always dream right?) I don't think I'll get an 1909-VDB, though (unless someone here manages to sell it to me).
As for the 20c, the situation there isn't much different from the one with Flying Eagle cents (that is, if I see a low-grade 20c, more likely than not it's an 1875-S).


P.S. For the last two posters: I likely won't buy a Trade dollar at all (never seen any serious slabbed coins on our local markets, and I already know that I shouldn't buy them unslabbed); half-cents and half-dimes are a "buy if I ever see one which is unlikely" situation just like 2c and 3c pieces (but thanks for the insight anyway); there's indeed plenty of 1883 No Cents on Molotok for $30-ish so maybe I'll eventually buy one; and I really liked the design of Barber dimes (but not quarters or halves) so if I ever find a decent-grade example for $20 or less I'll probably buy it immediately. Oh, and a silver Washington quarter isn't exactly my first priority (and I already have a clad 1965 along with many later dates).
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