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 Posted 05/15/2012  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Plain and simple
Banks are Businesses not charitable organizations. They can make whatever policy they deem suitable to maintain profits. If most of you haven't noticed "physical banks" are swiftyly becoming a thing of the past and more of a profit sink than profit center. With direct deposit, electronic bill pay, and paperless online accounts, it is well within the forseable future we will no longer have very many banks you can physically walk into. When you look at buying/dumping coin, there is absolutely no profit in that sort of transaction for the bank. Why on earth, realistically, would they do that. It would be like a restruant letting you walk in, get a free meal, and take your household garbage off your hands and have the restruant pay the disposal bill. I roll hunt like a madman and know that the chances of us being able to do this for free are not long for this earth. As time marches on more and more banks are going to stop or charge for boxes both on the ordering side as well as the dump side. It is inevitable, just be thankful we can do it at all right now! Look at it this way...if there was some good aspect of the picked over coins we turn in....we wouldnt be calling it a "dump".

If you are going to continue to buy/dump coin, do yourself and the banks a favor....dont dump at any one branch more than once a month. Any more than that and even I would get annoyed with myself, let alone a stranger! I purposely opened an account with two banks in my area for dumping coin that have a LOT of branches. No one branch sees me more than once every other month. In addition to that, every other visit I make to a branch, I bring a "token of appreciation" just to keep the tellers buttered up. If you think you can get away with the buy/dump loop for free...it won't be long before you wear out your welcome. Hobbies have a cost...and in the case of this hobby, the cost it kissing butt. If a bank calls you out and asks you to stop....just means you didn't kiss up well enough or are seeing them too often......or worse yet....both! Enjoy the hobby but like any other hobby, understand, it comes with a cost.
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 Posted 05/16/2012  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papatony to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Was just wondering, when you take the coins back to the bank are they rolled or just loose>? My son and I do pennies mostly and I re-roll them. I havent had any problem ,we only take 1 box back at a time though, and I have gone to 4 different banks either to cash them in or trade in for another box, lol.
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Was just wondering, when you take the coins back to the bank are they rolled or just loose>?


All the banks around here that I used when I roll hunted required loose coins. I suppose they don't want to take the chance that a roll has slugs in it or something other than coins. One branch even takes it as far as fine sifting through the coins placed in the coin sorter tray before pushing it through. I asked them why they were doing that and they send there is a large volume of coin dumpers and that they are often finding items that cause damage to the machine (paper clips for example).
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Very nice post unholyroller. I have no problem with roll hunting (used to do it myself) but get tired of seeing people complain about banks (i.e. businesses) cutting them off. I'm not sure where the sense of entitlement comes from where they think a bank should order as many boxes as an individual wants for their collecting purposes or searching for silver. Or where they think a bank should have to cater to their coin dumping even if the individual opens a token savings account with the minimum in the account. How much money exactly is a bank going to make off someone with a $25 savings account compared to the cost of someone dumping coin there every week or every two weeks? It costs them time and money to process these transactions so it would make sense to not overdo it at any one branch.
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I just take in my searched boxes of loose coins and trade it for the fresh ones. I have a GREAT bank! But when I first contacted them, I told them exactly what I wanted to do and asked if they could help.
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I'll post this here rather than start a new thread since this seems on-topic. After reading this thread I'm concerned I may need to adjust my practises for coin roll hunting.

I live in a small town in Eastern Canada, where only 3 of the 5 major Canadian banks are represented, with one branch for each. I bank with only one of these, so naturally I went in there a couple of weeks ago when I started. I've been withdrawing and depositing boxes of pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters. In two weeks I've withdrawn 9 boxes total and deposited 7 of those. These boxes are standard amounts, full of a fixed amount of hand-rolled coins that have on the bank floor, or in the vault - and I return them in the same way. Besides a spot check to count the number of rolls, people generally take you at your word here. Seems to be very little hassle involved in exchanging coin, and I haven't got the feeling that I've overstayed my welcome. The tellers who have seen me more than once simply seem curious, and are satisfied when I tell them I'm a collector, or looking for silver coins. I really wouldn't want my bank to take exception with me, so should I change the way I'm going about roll hunting? The next nearest branch of my bank is 45 minutes away, so not really an option for transactions in business hours.
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 Posted 05/16/2012  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spaceace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think unholyroller summed it up nicely.
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Haha, I just compared banks to restaurants in another thread. I wasnt copying you unholyroller, I promise!
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should I change the way I'm going about roll hunting?

It's great to be honest with the tellers, but the best way to lose out on silver is to educate them. Not a good bet to mention the word "silver".
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 Posted 05/16/2012  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MadMortician to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@unfamiliar: I wouldn't raise a stink, as you put it. In the end, I think all it would end up doing to make this particular branch even more upset.

At this point I have to wonder is it worth it to keep this branch as a dump branch? Forget the nice tellers you've dealt with up to this point, the manager has raised their own stink on the subject. Even if you fight this, call their higher ups, and walk in every time with a letter from the Bank's CEO stating you have permission to do this, there is always the chance that this branch manager will find other ways to try and block you dumping coins. Or, worse yet, find a way to alert other branch managers about you such as making a phone call or flagging your account (no idea if this ever happens, but you never know).

Instead, cut your losses and either don't return to this branch, or don't conduct coin collecting business at this branch. I have a branch of BofA that I never do coin collecting business with, and they don't know me as a coin collector. This way I always have a local branch to go into to conduct normal business.

Instead take the time to find ALL of the branches of this bank that you could visit and try dumping a box off there. I can almost promise that you will find many more branches that won't raise a fuss over what you are doing. Plus, the less often you visit a bank branch (either for dumping or buying) the less of a worry you have of repeating this example.

Better yet, find a different bank and opening the smallest account there you can (make sure there are no hidden fees that will overdraw your account with them without knowing). For example, I am thinking of going to a Wells Fargo or small credit union and doing this. You've just increased your resources on bank branches you can visit to buy and dump coins, keeping in mind the more branches you can visit, the less worry you have of being pushed around by a bank manager.

And lastly, if you really feel like pushing back a little, ask the branch manager if this is a company wide policy, or just their personal policy, and ask them to back it up in writing by showing you a copy of a User Agreement or Terms and Conditions fine print. I've done this a few times for things not related to coin collecting, and half of the time when the branch manager can't produce a written policy and they are caught in a bluff (which this might just be that), they back off. Big risk, and not really sure it would be worth it when the option to go to a different bank seems less of a hassle to me, but it is your choice. Besides, maybe your bank does have a written out policy that states how many boxes of coins one can deposit within a period of time, and you just are unaware of it. =)

Good luck, let us know how it turns out!
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 Posted 05/16/2012  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MadMortician to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@LaureateBust: I don't see any reason to change what you are doing. If the bank hasn't raised a fuss, if they are not charging you a fee without telling you for buying boxes, and you are having a good experience, no need to change. I am honest with the tellers I visit and tell them a am a coin collector looking for specific years, or pulling copper pennies.

The only advice I'd say is the same mentioned by a few others: You could stop saying silver or gold coins to them. I frequently ask tellers if they have Franklin's in the drawer, but I only say I collect them and I don't mention what metal they are made from.
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 Posted 05/16/2012  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unfamiliar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For what it's worth, I backed off.

For exactly the reason MadMortician explained. I didn't want the bank manager doing something that would ruin my relationship at the other branches.

The manager called me the next morning to explain that he had to stick to his guns on this because it was costing them money, but he wanted to work with me and would take and buy as much coin as I wanted for a fee. I told him I appreciated his offer and would consider it, and ended the call.

Like MM suggested, I just won't go into that branch anymore for coin related business and keep it as the branch I use for all non-coin activity.
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Oh and I'm definitely being punished for wanting to fight it, my last two boxes have been skunks. :)
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 Posted 05/17/2012  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MadMortician to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Unfamiliar: Let us know what happens at other branches. Like I said, I don't see you finding the same situation at every bank. Love to hear an update after you visit a few different branches!
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@fistfulladirt and MadMortician: Thanks for the replies. I think I'll just use common sense with my branch and try not to overly stress their tellers with too many frequent deposits/withdrawals of coin. The one teller to whom I did mention silver, kind of snickered in disbelief before asking "and how's that going". I'll put away the talk of silver in future exchanges and focus on the collecting aspect.
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