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So, I'm pretty sure this is a small date, but I don't know whether or not I should clean it... Do people actually buy these things in this kind of condition? Should I dip it in acetone? Thoughts?   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Your coin is a large date and is worth one cent. It's an excellent candidate for a good cleaning.
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I thought that a small date has the top of the 7 even with the 9 and the 0 and the curl of the 9 pointing at the middle of the 7. This coin definitely appears to have those characteristics.
But let's say for arguments sake that there was no doubt that this was a small date. In that situation, would you clean it?
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I plan on cleaning a 1972 DDO 002 and when I said that here in the forum, no one rejected the idea. I believe the reason no one said anything is because the best possible price I could get, or expect to get in MS condition is about 30.00. In the condition it is in, I personally would not pay 10.00 for it, so cleaning won't hurt my coin. In your case however you need to look up the value of the coin in its current state and grade to see if cleaning it would be worth the risk. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I vote small date.
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But looking at the top picture it could be an illusion. A head - on image would remove doubt. The tilted shot may be throwing me off.
Edited by TNG
05/15/2012 10:06 am
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Here's the other pic I took last night. It's as head on as I got. I can try to get a better pic tonight.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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It's a large date as coppercoins mentioned. The lower part of the 7 is below the 0 in the date. The inside curl of 9 is pointing to the base of the 7. Definite large date.
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the tip of the nine seems to point to the 0. it may be PMD that caused it though |
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Also, the top of the 7 is even with the top of the 0 and the 9. Could this be yet another variety? I'll clean it up and see if I can get better pictures.
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Spaaz- There is no way it is another variety. What ever smashed the zero..also hit the 9 (in my opinion). Coppercoins and Coop are experts and you pretty much can take their word to the bank. Sorry but your coins is a Large Date with PMD |
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My response was not a vote, it was not an opinion, and it was not a guess.
The coin is a damaged large date cent. It is what it is, and I've seen plenty enough to know one from the other with 100% accuracy.
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I just didn't realize that PMD could cause that to happen. When you look at it under a loupe in normal lighting, it looks very convincing. No disrespect intended. I appreciate everyone's input. |
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I'm not sure what "that" is. All I can say for sure is that it is very apparent to me, anyway, that this is a large date coin. It could be that I have seen MANY of them and just know. I have cherrypicked nearly a full roll of small dates from shows over the past twenty years. I just find them as easy to recognize as I can recognize my own kid. Since learning some (and discovering some) of the very basic rules outlining the many differences between the two, it has been a piece of cake.
1. Direction of the inner curl of the 9 - pointing SW or W.
2. Shape of the inner curl of the 9 - pointed or squared.
3. Shape of the 7, and the present or missing top crease.
4. Size of the 7, and relationship on the bottom to the 0.
5. Shape of the 0, with or without the hunch back.
6. Generally weaker LIBERTY versus stronger LIBERTY.
There are other very minor differences, but these make it easy enough to tell the difference in a heartbeat.
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BTW, I don't use the term "level 7" nor do I use "low 7" - those terms can be confusing with this variety. In addition, even though the 7 does look slightly different in alignment at the top of the digit between the two, I don't use it as a marker because it is somewhat unreliable.
I also don't use LIBERTY as a marker because it is unreliable. The LIBERTY on many 1970S large date coins is weak enough as compared to other dates so as to make one possibly believe it is "weak enough" to make the coin a small date. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Now with proof coins - the shallower LIBERTY is a big difference and is very noticeable.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I really do appreciate it. Learning as I go along here.
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Posted 05/15/2012 05:57 am
