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Washington State Quarter ?

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 Posted 05/16/2012  12:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jdickinson to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Still having trouble with doubled dies, again probably just machine or mechanical but would appreciate the opinion of others.


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 Posted 05/16/2012  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papatony to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Try this, it is a good explanation and image.Coop has lots of info.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=51410

and good hunting !!

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Check out that Link , Its I think the BEST write up/explanation for Hub doubling By CopperCoins ... his photo and info make it ten times easier to Understand what to look for .

Try and compare you coin once you read it to his diagram ..

Best of luck hunting ='Phil \m/

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 Posted 05/16/2012  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdickinson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So is it a doubled die, it looks like it had notching and a secondary raised image. Does anyone else see it?
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Ah man , Its hard with the photos ..

Sorry , I figured with the info Coppercoins had on his link I shared , and the coin in hand you maybe able to tell better .

Just to much of a glare in the areas in question for me personally to make a Positive ID for you bud .

Maybe try to Putz around with your camera and lighting to get a nice shot of it . I did see your other photo ((which friendly reminder they suggest one coin/ one post type of thing ))

If at all your unable to get clear photos , feel free to Message me here , and I could help you out with your photos
((would just need you to send me the full sized photos , the best you can get and I could do my best to edit them for you and maybe get them cleaned up ... )) Like I said the Photos are the tough part . takes time to get it down ..

best of luck ,
Phil \m/
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let me try to get some better ones, thanks
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Anytime ,

Again I am Sorry ,Just didnt want to just throw a guess at you .. So thats why I mentioned what was holding me up bud ..

Just judging by these photos I'm on the fence , my gut says MD just not 100%.. just would rather be positive you know ? .

Take your time on it ..

And I really suggest reading and re-reading Coppercoins post about the Hub vs Machine Doubling .. I swear by that post as I refer to it ALL THE TIME myself (daily almost when roll searching) lol .. The doubling can be tricky and he did break it down ,just take AWHILE to soak it up .

I really think Its easier once you have ONE true double die in hand to refer to as well .. lol ..

Best of luck ill be keepin an eye to see if I can help you out-

Phil \m/
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I think I see something on the motto, but just Machine Doubling there. I don't see anything in the other images that stand out. Sometimes it helps to have images of an normal coin and the area you looking at to see if it is really doubled. If it is the same size, then it normal. If the devices are the same size but reduced in size because Machine Doubling, it is a die movement and not a DOUBLED die. These help because you can see them at the same time. Here is an example of a doubled die cent. With the normal on and the one you question on the same image then you can see if it is normal or doubled easier. Here is an example:
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With both images in front of you, then you can see if it is doubled or not? You might give that a try. It helps a lot.
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so here is a close up of the doubling I see on the nose and chin. Also a picture of the A in quarter.
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Since about 1997, single hub pressing has been used and experimented with, so hasn't this type of doubled die been eliminated? I think it wasn't for a few more years until after 1997, that it was used on a regular basis.

What year is the quarter?
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so if it is not doubled then what explains the doubled nose and chin, its not a glare it is definitely a split secondary image?
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Nose and chin looks like it could be just damage from circulation. I am in no way and expert! Good Luck !
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first one is the coin in question and the second is of a separate Washington State Quarter where I do not see doubling on the nose and chin.

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Try another pic and put your light source to the left of the coin so it don't make a shadow ?
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what kind of PMD? That seems weird to me, I don't see anything on the coin where is was majorly hit, nicked or any major scratches or circulation wear to explain what I am seeing. the image is doubled (whichever thing cause it) and almost all the letters have a clear separation line and notch where you can see the doubled letter end or begin. Please bare with me I will try to better capture the things I am trying to clear up. I am still very much a newbie, so again and again thanks to all for your patience and understanding with my post and pictures.
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