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1921-D Morgan, Littlte Help Please.

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The 1921s are a little different than other Morgans. I need a little help with figuring the grade, VAM, and value.



Should it be graded?


1921-D-Morgan,-Littlte-Help-Please.

1921-D-Morgan,-Littlte-Help-Please.


The field and features have dimpled surfaces I think it might be from a deteriorating die any ideas.



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I can't put my finger on it but this coin looks "off" to me.
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It could be. That is the question to be or not to be.

I hope it's real it might be worth a couple of bucks

Thanks for the response.
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The appears to be wear so I think it would not grade any higher than AU. I agree with vermontensium that the surfaces look unusual. I have a feeling that the dimpled surface is not the result of Die Deterioration since it does not exhibit a radial pattern typical of die erosion. The dimpled surface looks very even over most of the surface.
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Thanks again.

Too bad the 21 Morgan lovers didn't check in.
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Too bad the 21 Morgan lovers didn't check in.


Wanna bet?

I'm very bothered by the surfaces. It's a very strong strike for a 1921, certainly not possible from a highly deteriorated die. Such a die would show far weaker details, and striations from the lettering/date towards the rims. Your coin does not have these features. Die Deterioration won't cause what we see on the surfaces.

I am going to hazard a guess that this coin spent some time in the ground, and was strongly cleaned after being unearthed. That, or some fairly-catastrophic aboveground exposure to a highly acidic atmosphere, and cleaning afterward to remove whatever discoloration occurred.

It's a shame. This is a hammer strike for a 1921-D.
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SuperDave do you think it could have been sand blasted or glass beaded?
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SuperDave do you think it could have been sand blasted or glass beaded?


Possibly - that would do what we see here as well. I'm just left with the question, "Why?" Exploring the most-likely scenarios, chances are the coin just had a disastrous encounter with some substance that doesn't like silver.
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Dont they refer to this as orange peel?
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Typical AU, that's about all. Polished by the owner/s.
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I had an 1881 S that looked like that. I felt like an idiot when someone here reminded me that some Casinos used to sandblast their coins to keep people from being tempted to save them, instead of putting them back in the machines. I should have known better, my Gramps used to own a Casino in Carson City. Some of the Casinos used to paint their halves and dollars. Fitzgeralds were Green, I believe and someone else used red. Strangley the paint actually protected the coins. I bought some just recently out of a junk bin in San Francisco. After a bath in Thinner, for two days, they looked just as nice as the day they were minted.
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I've never seen hairlines that sharp on a 1921 Morgan in my life! That's absolutely incredible!
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Jerseyben it might be. I'll have get it to some one that knows about these coins.

Thanks all for the responses
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