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2001 Proof Silver Eagles -- Can Anyone Help?

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I have some 2001 Proof Silver Eagles along with their Certificate of Authenticity. They were minted in West Point, have 1 troy oz weight, 99.9% silver.

I noticed the value of these coins are higher than I paid for them about 11 years ago -- is that because of the coin itself or because the price of silver is higher? If/when I sell these coins, will I be selling for the coin or the silver? If anyone could offer me more information on this coin (I am not a collectr and these are the only coins I have ever owned), I would sure like to hear more about these coins I own.

Thank you in advance!
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Ben,

This .jpg of the historical trends of Ag(silver) values since 2001 should at least shed some light on the comparative melt value changes.

I will leave the numismatic reasons for other members to address.

fyi,

mdpmedia

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Some of the higher value is the silver going up especially if your coin is raw, some is that its older.

If its a perfect slabbed coin itd be more the coin than the silver, if its not silver is playing a large part of it
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The 2001 proof ASE (OGP)sells for between $55-60 and had a mintage of 746,398 which was the highest of the 13 previous years.
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Foxwoods Man, how does that price relate to the original price these Proof Silver Eagles sold for from the US Mint in 2001? Is there a way to find out their original price/cost from 11 years ago? Thank you!
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Purchase price in 2001 for ASE proofs was $24.00, if my records are accurate.
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....and silver was around $4.50/ounce

1st issued in 1986 at $21/issue price

1987-97 was $23

1998-2003 was $24
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Okay so with silver at $4.50/ounce in 2001 and cost $24
that moved to silver at about $30/ounce (i know its a bit less now, but a few months ago it was higher) and the coin is worth about $58.
So the price of the coin has gone up almost 250%
while the price of silver has gone up over 650%

These coins are 1 ounce, but they are 99.9% silver, not 100% .... if I were to buy a 'silver coin' would it be 100% silver...or would it also be 99.9%? A better way to ask this may be to ask -- if this Proof Silver Eagle were to be sold for its silver only, would it sell for the value of silver per ounce, or a tiny fraction less than that because it's not 100% silver? Thank you!


Also, the 2012 silver eagles are selling for about $55 from the mint, arent they? Has there been a large jump in purchase price from the mint since 2003? is that only due to the price of silver moving up, or are they not minting as many coins? Thank you for all your help as I am clearly very new to learning about coins!
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US Mint Silver Eagles are "bullion"coins and are the best you will do when buying silver. They are .999 silver which is basically the highest quality bullion available (there are some .9999 bullion coins out there but they are an anomaly)

If you are buying silver as silver I would not buy proof ASE's since you are paying a numismatic premium for these...and, as you noticed, the numismatic premium shrinks as the spot price of the metal increases. Same with Morgan dollars...coins that were $25 when silver was $10/0unce are just a tad above that with silver at $28/ounce

ASE proofs are great to collect and an easily completable series..now if you want to complicate your life you can add the burnished W's, the RP's, bullion coins and now burnished S mint coins.

Oops I forgot to add:

back in 2001 there was a 500% premium over spot to purchase proofs from the Mint

Now in 2012 it is around 100%

You can decide if the price has increased reasonably or not

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can you explain that 500% premium over spot please? Do you mean the coin should have cost $5 but everyone paid 5-times that value? Does that mean the coin 'had' value ... or does that mean everyone 'over paid' for the coin?
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The 500% premium over spot is the retail price compared to the entrinsic value of the metal.

The coin's metal was valued at $5.00 but when you consider the cost of design, die marking, production and package along with some profit, the retail price to the consumer was $24.00.

The coin has the value of the metal plus numismatic value of the coin. No one over paid for the coin when they purchased it from the mint. Many have overpaid on the secondary market.
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The mint produces three basic types of SAEs. All are one troy ounce total weight and contain 0.999 troy ounce of silver (the gold and platinum coins all contain 1TOz of precious metal and have a total weight above that). The three base types relate to the planchets used, made from the blanks received from the vendors. The blanks are either sent to the upsetting mill as received, burnished first (which significantly reduces surface defects), or highly polished first (which virtually eliminates surface defects). Bullion coins are minted from the first type and are almost exclusively sold to APs at $2 over spot in very large quantities ($millions at a time). Uncirculated coins are minted from the second type and are sold directly to the public by the mint, individually or in sets, almost always with some sort of special packaging. Uncirculated coins are struck at higher forces than bullion coins with die that have been vapor sandblasted to create a "soft" finished surface and receive special handling after being struck. Proof and reverse proof coins are minted from the third type and are struck at even higher forces than the uncirculated coins. They are individually handled and specially packaged, again either individually or in sets. Reverse proof coins cost more to produce than "normal" proofs because the die are more costly and do not last as long as normal proof die, which do not last as long as uncirculated die, which do not last anywhere near as long as bullion die.

If we look back to 2003 and before, proof coins sold for about $19 above silver spot and that has increased since then to about $30 over spot today. The silver spot itself has increased from around $5 to around $30 with a few spikes along the way. I believe that the bullion coins were originally sold for $1 over spot and that has increased in several steps to the $2 over spot that it is today. Individual bullion SAEs from retailers will run from $3 to $4 over spot unless there is a temporary shortage that increases that or a glut that or sale that reduces it slightly (classic supply & demand). Much of what I have said is from memory so please jump in and correct my statements where necessary.
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You just about covered it all...the only thing I would add is that in the first 10 or so years Silver Eagles were sold by banks which made it VERY easy to pick up a roll or two...

Here is one of my early receipts...wouldn't it be nice to get a sealed roll today for $121

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Yeah, even in 2005, I picked up a roll from APMEX for $180, silver was around $7 and I paid $8.98 per ounce. Same thing today costs $670.
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Yeah, even in 2005, I picked up a roll from APMEX for $180, silver was around $7 and I paid $8.98 per ounce. Same thing today costs $670.


If silver ever gets back down that low I will be hoarding some rolls to resell at the next spike for sure.
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