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Both for me.
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I believe personal preferences, expectations and objectives come heavily into play with this choice. In a SHTF scenario, I really don't believe anybody is going to care whether your silver has a cute little panda on it or an ugly mangy weasel. It will probably be worth whatever an ounce of silver brings. If an orderly market is preserved that includes a healthy collector base, then I think premiums will still exist, although I still think they would shrink on a percentage basis.
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In a SHTF scenario


... lead, food, medicine, tools, and the essential knowledge to create or use them will have a much higher premium than silver. IMO, if that's what someone's gearing up for, PMs should be "way" down most people's list of necessities.

I mention this because so many people today have little to no concept of real money and would not value it very highly, I'm afraid. Show someone 90% silver and one sees pocket change. Show them bullion and they see the equivalent of hard monopoly money.

From Gen X to present, all we ever knew was fiat. The members of the next generation still in their mother's wombs will likely carry 100% plastic by the time they reach adulthood.

But I guess that's progress.
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...so many people today have little to no concept of real money and would not value it very highly, I'm afraid. Show someone 90% silver and one sees pocket change. Show them bullion and they see the equivalent of hard monopoly money.


Regrettably true, traevin.


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From Gen X to present, all we ever knew was fiat.


I sadly agree. Almost every single person I know who's good with knowledgeable about money learned at home. Not in any K through 12th education program, public or private. And certainly NOT in any mainstream college or university I'm aware of. It's such a disservice to both this and the next generation.
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I agree that the premium on the fancy silver rounds are a bit silly. Why pay double for an ounce of silver?

Don't forget that when you are buying this silver for a premium, you will also get a premium when you sell it.

I mainly have higher grade 80/90% silver (Canadian and American) and usually manage to get them right around spot.
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I'm on a 90% junk silver kick right now; Silver and history at the right price.
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90% for me but in obsolete types like Barbers, Mercs, SLQ's, Walking Liberty and Franklin halves. I avoid those that are the same designs that are in circulation today.

For .999 I only buy Silver Eagles. I avoid .999 rounds and bars.
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90% for me but in obsolete types like Barbers, Mercs, SLQ's, Walking Liberty and Franklin halves. I avoid those that are the same designs that are in circulation today.


That makes a lot of sense to me. I'd actually enjoy collecting the older coins. Not that it would bother me but I assume those go for higher premiums than the newer silver?
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Sometimes, but not always traevin. Just depends on who has what to sell.
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The only way I would buy 90% is if I get it for under 95% of spot. Any kind of silver dollar I will pay spot for as collectors will pay through the nose for any Morgan dollar. SAE always go for a nice premium esp on ebay.
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I like real coins. Novelty bullion - and the silly premiums demanded just because the bullion has a cute animal on it or is an "MS-69 First Strike Early Release Slabbed With A Special Sticker!!" are anti-rational. Want to invest in bullion? Buy bars - without the frills.

There are sites out there that show how much the silver is worth in that Franklin, Merc, or Morgan.
Maybe those $28 silver dollars in your dealer's junk box aren't such a good deal after all...
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I am completely torn. While I prefer to own silver bars which have a higher silver content than 90% silver coins, I do like the variety. My hoard of silver contains a bit of each. I think having .999 silver mixed in with 90% silver can add a little variety to any collection or hoard.
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90% for me but in obsolete types like Barbers, Mercs, SLQ's, Walking Liberty and Franklin halves. I avoid those that are the same designs that are in circulation today.

I do the same, but occasionally cant pass up a high AU to low MS 90% Kennedy half, Roosie Dime, or Wash quarter if I can get at spot or less.



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For .999 I only buy Silver Eagles. I avoid .999 rounds and bars.

On this one I will disagree. Maples, Philharmonics, Engelhards, Johnson Matthey bars/rounds are all more popular and recognized forms and often can be purchased for a couple bucks lower premium than Silver Eagles. I like the Eagles, but I also like getting more bang for the buck so to speak.
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Sometimes, but not always traevin. Just depends on who has what to sell.


Thanks, Nod. I'm pretty much a virgin when it comes to US uncirculated silver coin prices; but the older coins are pretty cool. Wouldn't mind diversifying a bit in the future. So basically, the worse the condition, the closer one should expect the price will be to spot, I guess? Is there a good rule of thumb for buying the older coins like there is for the newer UNC pre-65 stuff, as in a certain multiple above face, considering where the spot price is at present?
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yep, some coin stores I have been to have what is called a "melt bucket" which are coins they are selling at or near spot. Some dealers don't really bother to sort these and I have found a lot of goodies in there at about 5% over spot. Things like low grade or damaged Seated coinage, and some semi-key date Barber coins in lower grade. If you are most interested in the bullion value though, you probably will have a low weight with the barbers because of the level of wear, but there were plenty of Mercury dimes that could be found in decent shape where weight loss would be minimal.
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