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Counterfeit Detection: 1972 Doubled Die Cent

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NGC - NGC recently received a fake 1972 Doubled Die Cent, which is not something that we see often.

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There are a handful of varieties that are regularly seen faked, including the Philadelphia and Denver 1942/41 Mercury dimes, the 1955 Doubled Die Cent, and the 1937-D Three-Legged Buffalo nickel, though the latter is typically an alteration rather than an outright counterfeit. Counterfeits of other varieties are not particularly common, however, and can sometimes catch you off guard.

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Genuine 1972 Doubled Die


NGC recently received a fake 1972 Doubled Die Cent, which is not something that we see often. There are actually several varieties of doubled die obverse 1972 cents, but the most popular is FS-101 because of the extremely pronounced doubling on the date and mottos. Many collect this doubled die as part of the regular series, and as of 5/21/12 NGC has graded nearly 2,000 examples. According to the NGC US Coin Price Guide, even a low grade example sells for a few hundred dollars.

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Counterfeit 1972 Doubled Die Cent


Those familiar with the 1972 Doubled Die will be able to identify this counterfeit with ease. Instead of the bold doubling seen on genuine examples, this piece has weakly defined legends that blend into the fields. The surfaces also have a pockmarked appearance with raised lumps, particularly around IN GOD WE TRUST and the N in ONE. Familiarity with the look of genuine specimens certainly helps, but the soft details and raised areas on this piece are telltale signs that it is a counterfeit.

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Genuine coin images courtesy of Heritage Auctions.
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A very good example of cast verses struck surfaces. Why you should know the production methods. Thank You !
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Not a bad counterfeit. In-hand I'd bet it'd be tough to tell. Under a loupe it's very obvious. Completely pox-marked.
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wow, this counterfeit still looks pretty darn good
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Definitely has the rough look of being cast. The reverse is actually more convincing, much smoother.
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I wonder what it would look like after some time in your pocket ?
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Those little holes all over the surface give it away. And as said, the legends are not very strong at all
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The details do look like a casting--from an genuine DDO.
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Looks identical to the one I bought from the Chinese fake coin factory - Big Tree Coin Co. - when they used to be allowed to sell on ebay. I also got a 1955 DDO to see what it looked like. I wonder why it took NGC so long to get one of these? All of them look fairly good in hand. But the porous nature shows easily under magnification. I also got fake a 1944 steel, 1914D, 1931S, 22 no D, and and 09S VDB. They were inexpensive and made a great way to learn about fakes.

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Earle42--I'm curious, did Big Tree mark "copy" on any of those fakes?
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When I won them I asked if he could send me some without the word copy. He said he could. My local coin dealer (I found out later) did the same thing when he got some to study also.

Below are some links to prior info on some of the other fakes I got from Big Tree. I hope to post more as health/time allows. I bought these to study and share (about 2 years ago though) the knowledge:

Fake 1879 Morgan
https://goccf.com/t/119357

Fake 1856 FE cent:
https://goccf.com/t/111806

Fake 1908S IHC
https://goccf.com/t/88816

Fake 1944 Canadian Tombac nickel
https://goccf.com/t/88814

Fake 1948 (Silver though) Canadian dollar:
https://goccf.com/t/88812

Fake Canadian 1926 Far 6 nickel
https://goccf.com/t/86970

Discussion on fake Bust dollars - scroll down for links to the pics of the fake (silver though) Bust dollar I bought from Big Tree:
https://goccf.com/t/87237

edited: oops - missed pasting a link

How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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06/17/2012 8:35 pm
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Easy to spot, classic shoddy workmanship. But probably good enough to fool a noob.
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