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When & How Does Silver Go Down Or Up In Value?

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How & when does silver go up & down
Idk if silver is high or low right now
& I just wanted to know how does a person know
Wether the silver price is low or high
Can some plstell me or explain it to me?!
I'm kinda new on collecting silver n coins
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 Posted 07/14/2012  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's really no answer to this question, I'm afraid. It's like asking when is a stock's price "too high" or "too low." It's all about supply and demand and what the future will hold, and nobody knows what the future will hold.

Historically, silver was worth around $4-5 for most of the 30-year period from the early 1970s to the early 2000s (with an isolated spike to $50 due to market manipulation in the early 1980s). The last few years, however, silver has been worth significantly more. Last year, it rose steadily until it neared the $50 mark once again, but has since tapered off since then. It has gone as high as $32 and as low as $25 in recent months, but seems to be fairly stable lately at around $27-29.

The thing that nobody knows, however, is whether the long-term trend of silver is upwards and the current prices represent a temporary slump, or whether silver prices peaked at $50 and have now started a long downward slide. Or perhaps we are at a new equilibrium and prices will remain relatively stable for the next 30 years. There are plenty of theories about how silver is a limited resource and has many industrial uses and is a hedge against inflation and should therefore rise as the value of the dollar decreases, and for those of us who buy into those theories anytime is a good time to buy since prices will likely be higher down the road regardless of the current price. But we could be wrong. In fact, some of us bought heavily when silver was over $40, thinking it was just going to keep rising and probably feel a bit foolish now that it is back down to $27.
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I just wanted to know how does a person know whether the silver price is low or high


The easiest way to think about the price of any commodity, and silver and gold are both commodities, is to look at the historical price over time.

Your question was is the price of silver low or high? Well, ten years ago, silver was only $4.80 a troy ounce. That's a huge difference from today's $27.00. Over ten years, silver has become very expensive.

However, ten years is a long time. Let's look at the price of silver over the past year. In April of 2011, silver hit $48.70 cents an ounce! Compare that to today's price of $27.00 an ounce and silver looks like a good deal.
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 Posted 07/14/2012  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samsnate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both great and accurate answers. I wouldnt add a thing. Some research into understanding why the price has been moving the way it has over the last 30 years and you will come up with your own conclusion, thus deciding how to proceed or not to. Cheers.
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That depends on who you talk to. People who have been in it since $5 silver will tell you one thing and people at $40 will tell you another. It's all relative. Do your homework to see where YOU stand and how much you can afford to be in it.
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I am just trying to throw in an opinion here - this is NOT meant to be political and I will do my best to keep this neutral.

People in general know silver and gold are valuable. As the economy worsened in recent years, they were turning towards something they considered crash proof. I know of people who had never looked at PMs who were buying silver and gold out of fear. As the economy of the US goes, so goes the world.

When silver hit close to 50.00 an oz., a lot of online sources can show you there was a massive dump of silver ("paper silver" or not?) back into the market in a very (~impossibly) short time and the prices started a downward trend. There were other factors implemented that seemed to manipulated the prices downward - after all, our backed-by-nothing money becomes worth even less when PMs are in demand. This is intolerable to a system which has the power to make its own money out of thin air and spend it.

The current implemented tactics to "grow" the economy have been proven by history to kill a healthy American economy. It does not matter a person's political affiliation, history shows this is an absolute fact.

I have a feeling (ouch - here comes the political part) that if there is a change in the White House (hope I was nice enough), to begin with, we will see either PMs stay where they are, or they will go down more. It won't actually matter if anything is done to help the economy at the time since peoples' perceptions drive the market. A massive turn over like this- with public perceived mindsets of the different people vying for the position (whether factual or not) - would bring financial optimism. Optimism will likely exist b/c of a common feeling that the mess we are in cannot get worse if we try something in the opposite direction. Again - I am focusing on perceptions, not actually saying what is right or wrong since this is not a political forum.

If there is a turn over in D.C., and economic strategies change to historically proven methods for growing the economy, that PMs will stay lower and possibly go lower than they are now.

If (and I doubt it will happen) we went back onto a gold or silver standard, I am not sure what would happen to PM prices. History has also proven when money is backed by nothing, the system fails. We are there now.
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I don't worry about whether it is high or low. As long as you are consistent buying, anytime is the right time to buy. Say you spend $100 on silver. At the height of the market, $100 got you 2 ounces. Today, let say silver is at $25 an ounce. You lost half you money, right?

If you spend an additional $100 you would now have an additional 4 ounces of silver. So for $200 you have a total of 6 ounces of silver which averages out to $33.33 an ounce. So to break even silver only has to rise to $33.33 an ounce not $50. As the prices of silver drops, $100 buys more silver - making your loss less and less.

Let's say worse case, silver drops all the way down to $4 an ounce. Great! $100 buys you 25 ounces. Now for $300 you've bought 31 ounces of silver or paid $9.68 an ounce. Even if it stays at $4 an ounce for the next 20 years, if you keep consistently buying, your average spent per ounce drops closer and closer to $4 until loss is nominal.
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Beware of falling into the trap of valuing everything in an un-backed paper currency that is very easily manipulated. The dollar is relatively high right now but that is most certainly not due to the strength of the US economy or booming exports. That said, it makes a better comparison to compare gold or silver to crude oil or gasoline. Oil at $100 a bbl. is 10x the cost it was when oil was $10 a bbl. Of course, gold was about $160 an oz. back then too. Now, it is $1600 or 10x its old price. Anyone holding gold or silver can still buy the same amount of fuel while those holding paper cannot. Yes, other factors are involved and it can be rather complex but to make examples it is sometimes helpful to use simplifications, even at the expense of some accuracy.
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I'll tread delicately here.

The outcome of the November election will simply determine whether I keep buying PMs at my current rate or if I'll start buying faster. Except for a possible brief period of false euphoria, there's no election scenario that I can think of that would cause a protracted decline in PMs.

(Here's my two sentence political comment...yikes!)

[EDIT] Political comment removed. Rules are rules.

So, there you go. Keep buying that gold and silver boys and girls. We're going to need it.

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07/14/2012 11:46 pm
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@tgauchshin
Wise words!

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The outcome of the November election will simply determine whether I keep buying PMs at my current rate or if I'll start buying faster. Except for a possible brief period of false euphoria...


Remember also that you watch the markets and are familiar with them. The PMs were driven up out of a fear that proved to be true. Most people are not familiar with PMs (most cannot even tell you when silver stopped being minted into coins in the US) and will experience euphoria (the falsehood would be something none of us, at this time, can judge with 100% acccuracy). Too many people being out of work etc. makes for a a large public mindset of wanting something to believe in. So a change in leadership, whether public feelings prove to be founded or not, will most likely give that sense of optimism and could result in PM going down (maybe not for long).

I believe the only election scenario that could change things is if, WHOEVER is elected, will study history and go that direction. I also believe we could eventually get out of this mess if it were handled properly. But I have to agree in that I do not think it will happen too soon.

The hard part is not going to be knowing WHAT to do. The most difficult part would be trying to clean house (not picking sides here) when there are so many unconstitutional things already that have been done (not just the recent past) and overlooked. There are so many people in power who only desire to do what is best for themselves rather than do the job they are elected to. Getting rid of a large chunk of the bureaucracy will also make for a much better economy. Again - this is a general, overall statement - NOT aimed in any direction.

When/if the economy is at an OK to good level - PMs stay pretty steady. When people feel threatened by the economy they are in, PMs become a perceived safe haven and prices rise.

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When I first start adding silver two and one half years ago it was setting at 27 bucks and some change. Later it came within some change of 50 per oz....

Two and one half years later silver is setting at 27 dollars and some change....

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Two and one half years later silver is setting at 27 dollars and some change....

So, compared to the 50% loss in the stock market in 2008, you are doing just fine and your PMs are preserving your wealth quite nicely.
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Yeah sometimes breaking even while others are losing is good enough.
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Wow... everyone has an opinion, but let me add mine.

Silver is a useful metal for many technologies... The camera industry used to use a lot of it before digital camera's came along. When they were introduced demand dropped dramatically and so did the silver price. When the E-markets crashed a great number of people went from investing in theoretical stuff and moved to commodities and the commodities rose, adding to that China and India started demanding more silver for electronics and other industrial persuits and the price rose further. Maybe uncertainty and mistrust in currencies (Euro having trouble, quantative easing of the Pound and the Dollar has also effected the price with silver and gold looking more solid.

Anyway my point is that just looking at the graphs does not show these influences... silver is not such a rare metal really but there are many uses for it. Tin is another such metal... they are thinking of reopening tin mines in England that have been closed for decades. China and India are still gonna need a lot of materials in their development so I can't see these dropping through the floor just yet.
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US dollar goes up, silver goes down. Silver goes up when US dollar goes down. Its not really silver moving, its the US dollar in relation to silver at a given point in time. The markets at the moment are totally messed up, so we're seeing lots of movement in all markets.
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Silver price is driven by speculation and supply and demand. Compared to gold, the silver price is extremely volatile.
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