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US Half Dollar Upside Down?

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hi all what happened to this coin?

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That's normal. The US uses a coin orientation and rest of the world use mostly a medal orientation.
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US coins rotate along horizontal axis (top of design is at the top for each side). Medals rotate along the vertical axis (top of designs are on top when turned)
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Welcome.

The reverse is supposed to be upside down like that. Am I missing what you were asking?
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Our toilets also spin the other way when we flush them.
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As you already have been told our US coins are made so that when you turn them over, top to bottom, they are still right side up. Many people get confused when turning a US coin over side to side and find them now upside down.
It is interesting though. I wonder why this is done.
Makes it sort of confusing when you put them in an Album, turn the page and all the coins are upside down.
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From the US Mint FAQs:


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Why is the Flip Side 'Flipped'? In other words, why, when you flip a coin over after looking at the heads side, is the picture on the tails side upside down?

All U.S. coinage is produced with what is commonly called a "coin turn." That means that the reverse side (tails) of the coins is upside down to the obverse side (heads). While we have researched the history of this practice, we have been unable to determine the exact reason for this custom. The Mint still produces U.S. coinage in this manner for traditional reasons and not due to any legal requirement.


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It is a little weird, but knowing they keep it that way for tradition I like it
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Also, makes it easy to see that there is no 3rd side to a coin.
Now that is one more coin puzzel for today. Yet when you look at the average coin book, Every photo of all coins are shown with the reverse right side up. This would make people think that our coins are all made that way. Coin books, such as the Red Book, should have the reverses upside down as they are real life.
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But then I'd have to stand on my head to look at them.
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While we have researched the history of this practice, we have been unable to determine the exact reason for this custom.

The "reason" that American coins are made that way is because most European silver coins of the late 1700s, including British coins, were made that way. As can be seen by the very terms "coin orientation" and "medal orientation", the use of which predates the American revolution.

That doesn't really answer the question, though, but just moves it back. Why did the British make coins that way at that time? There doesn't seem to be a rational explanation. It certainly wasn't tradition on their part, since British coinage tended to flip-flop between coin and medal orientation.

For some early methods of coinage manufacture, coin orientation made sense. The roller press, for instance: a device not unlike an old-fashioned clothes wringer, or the machines used to make elongated pennies. If you load the two die-rolls into the machine facing the same way, then the coins produced will have coin orientation. This is a valid reason for some European coinages, but neither Britain nor America ever used roller presses to strike coinage. Perhaps all the other mints in the 1700s were simply copying the results of the roller press (coins with coin orientation), without copying the method of manufacture.

For other coinage production methods, die alignment is purely a matter of choice. If you're going to go to the effort of deliberately "aligning" two dies rather than having random alignment, you've really only got two options.
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turn your monitor upside down the for reverse
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Great discussion! Threads like this are a big reason of why I love spending time on this Forum.
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This got me thinking.

I store my good coins in 2x2s in three ring binders.

If I insert the flips with the top of the coins facing the rings and open the binder top to bottom - instead of like a book - both the obverse and reverse are orientated right side up.

Now I know my project for today.
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But then I'd have to stand on my head to look at them.

Not really. If in an Album, place on a table, open to the reverse, walk around to the other side of the table. Now most coins will be right side up again.
Of course there is always those oddball rotated reverses making the trips around the table frequent.

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turn your monitor upside down the for reverse

However, only good for coins on the computer.
Now if you try using a mirror, you now end up with coins in reverse too.
Some of these problems may well be the reason magicians started with the 2 headed coins.
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One of my favorites is finding an American coin that has the medal orientation (die rotation of 180 degrees).

Unfortunately this not my coin...but I would snag it if I could !

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Cert Verification According to the PCGS Certification Database, the requested certification number is defined as the following:

COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 10489074
PCGS Coin #: E3679
Date, mintmark: 1861
Denomination: 3CS
Variety:
Minor Variety:
Mint Error: 180 Degree Rotated Dies
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: AU55
Mintage: 497,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $190
Holder Type: Standard
Population: N/A

Auction Appearances of This Coin


http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/10489074/
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