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Is This Real? 8 Reales

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 Posted 07/31/2012  6:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chanyha to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I am new to this forum.

Can anyone advise me if this is real?


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 Posted 07/31/2012  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be a real salvage coin from the El Cazador wreck (mostly 1783 8 Reales, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cazador_Shipwreck
or it could be a fake. From the picture it is hard to tell. The Cazador coins were harshly cleaned and some were then polished. There are also fakes made ot look like Cazador coins. What does your coin weigh and does it ring like silver? (balance the coin on the tip of your finger nad tap lightly with a butter knife blade, does it have a ring or a dull thud)
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 Posted 08/01/2012  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chanyha to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It weighs 21.9 grams, and is 38mm diameter. And has a ring when tap lightly with another coin.
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 Posted 08/01/2012  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As jfransch already mentioned - it looks like salt water corrosion.
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What is interesting on these shipwreck coins is the silver content is very high from XRF analysis on the surface silver readings normally being elevated to 98-99% silver. There is something called silver surface enrichment in which the silver makes its way to the surface and the inner core is usually lower in silver value giving you a false high reading particualry with 90% silver issued coins. With sea salvage coins the more oxidized metals like copper and zinc as compared to silver (less oxidized) are leached out of the coin due to salt water corrosion. This then yields these high silver values on the surface. So a normal 8R will read say 92-96% and a sea salvage coin 98-99% Ag for surficial silver. Sometimes high tin contemporary counterfeit 8 Reales are mistaken as sea slavage coins or cast coins. This example appears struck and legitimate due to its sharp motifs and we see an equal loss of silver "across" the coin. My guess is a legitimate sea salvage coin without XRF analysis which may suggest a high tin counterfeit alloy. This will be discussed in the new CC8R book next year via the ANS.

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Please post a picture of the reverse side of the coin. This may help determine if it is real or not.
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 Posted 08/01/2012  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chanyha to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse of coin.

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