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Will Public Bring US Pennies To Deal With Canada's Loss?

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This is a snapshot directly from the Royal Canadian Mint's website:
Will-Public-Bring-US-Pennies-To-Deal-With-Canada's-Loss?

Says "the penny will retain value indefinitely but as they're withdrawn price rounding will be required."

Do you think that people (especially near border areas) will be going out of their way to use American pennies when too many Canadian pennies are withdrawn, to save on having the price rounded up at the stores?

Honestly if we're going to be saving $11 million per year on getting rid of the penny. I think that our HST tax should be dropped to a round number of 10% at most and businesses should have to end their prices in a 0 or 5. That way rounding won't be necessary.
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 Posted 08/10/2012  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joboman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how will you save money using american pennies.. it rounds up sometimes, it rounds down sometimes - you will come out even.
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 Posted 08/10/2012  03:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joboman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you're in the wrong hobby if you're going to get butthurt about losing one penny per transaction.
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Australia got rid of the 1 cent coin over 20 years ago yet prices are still $0.97, 0.98 etc. Who cares it all works out in the end! Besides more and more people pay for everything using plastic which will still charge to the cent, no rounding. There are far more important things to worry about than a penny here and there.
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 Posted 08/10/2012  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of pennies here or there on my transactions has never been a concern for me.
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 Posted 08/10/2012  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Bonzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've never thought about the American penny gaining prominence in Canada. I doubt that many people would do it to save the 1-2 cents on cash transactions, but maybe the American cent would see a rise in use for other reasons - such as tradition or habit. What is the overall Canadian sentiment regarding the elimination of minting new pennies?
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Australia got rid of the 1 cent coin over 20 years ago yet prices are still $0.97, 0.98 etc. Who cares it all works out in the end! Besides more and more people pay for everything using plastic which will still charge to the cent, no rounding. There are far more important things to worry about than a penny here and there.

This statement should perhaps be clarified a little bit. The prices in major supermarkets and department stores, where multiple purchases are normal, are still ticketed to the nearest cent; the price only gets rounded on the total at the checkout.

For small corner stores, fast food outlets and other places where people usually only buy one or two items, the ticket prices themselves are indeed rounded. Usually rounded down, because $1.95 still has the same "that's not $2" marketing appeal as $1.99. In Australian Macdonalds restaurants, for example, the prices for most menu items end in a "5". Plus the store gets the good PR from actually reducing their prices.

As for the OP's question, I assume the answer is an easy "No, they will not". American coins are not legal tender in Canada. American and Canadian cents may circulate side-by-side in the border regions, but that's only because both sides currently have 1 cent coins that have very similar appearance - people can pretend not to notice. But when the cent disappears from circulation in Canada, any attempt to use an American cent will stand out like the proverbial sore thumb. The cash register drawers currently assigned to 1 cent coins will no doubt quickly be allocated to some other purpose, so shopkeepers will be unwilling to accept or give out American cents in change.
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...to save on having the price rounded up at the stores
The "everything will be rounded up" fallacy also lives north of the border. Who knew?

Rounding goes up or down, that is, to the nearest, not always the highest.
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in the last 50 years there have been over 33 BILLION pennies struck.

with more and more transactions being handled electronically, even after all the copper cents are pulled and recycled, I have a feeling very few people in this community will live long enough to see the day when there is a shortage that causes US pennies to fill a need north of the border.

yes, they will get a little more scarce as time goes by, but then again so will the generation that remembers them (or even cares). most of the "now generation" is happy paying 18%-28% interest on everything they buy, do you think they will care about 2-3 cents?
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Banks in Canada don't care about having US pennies in Canadian penny rolls, but it's the opposite in the US. I wonder if the stores in Canada will also prevent US pennies into their stores.
Generally, the Canadian Government wants to pull out Canadian pennies. Pennies in stores go to banks, and banks give pennies to be melted. The Canadian government has no right to melt US pennies. Therefore, I don't think that stores will ever accept US pennies from the day of elimination. Plus, prices will be rounded up so larger stores will not accept any more pennies.


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I have a feeling very few people in this community will live long enough to see the day when there is a shortage that causes US pennies to fill a need north of the border.

Prices are growing constantly and one day a several cents would be too useless to save. Imagine. A hundred years ago you were able to purchase a dictionary with several cents, and now, a dictionary costs 100 times more.
On the other hand, US pennies will also be (likely) be eliminated due to my aforementioned reason.
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how will you save money using american pennies.. it rounds up sometimes, it rounds down sometimes - you will come out even.

I don't think you will come out even. Stores such as Walmart force producers to move to third world countries to save pennies on cost of products. I believe that these stores will strategically set their prices so that the combined total always has to round up in their favour.

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you're in the wrong hobby if you're going to get butthurt about losing one penny per transaction.


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There are far more important things to worry about than a penny here and there.


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A couple of pennies here or there on my transactions has never been a concern for me.

Actually it's two pennies per transaction. LOL. In this economy, when we are already tax stressed from the government in Canada, I don't want to lose any more of the money I'm left with out of principle. There are people on the forum talking about saving aluminum cans to get 40 cents per pound and buy silver... I think I'd save more per week toward buying what I want if I'm not losing pennies per transaction.

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yes, they will get a little more scarce as time goes by, but then again so will the generation that remembers them (or even cares). most of the "now generation" is happy paying 18%-28% interest on everything they buy, do you think they will care about 2-3 cents?

The report from the mint says gradually withdrawn. I don't believe it will take all that many years for this to take effect, look at the one and two dollar bills. It won't be the money stupid "now generation" that will be bringing the American pennies into Canada's circulation. It will be the rest of us cheapskates! LOL
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I believe that these stores will strategically set their prices so that the combined total always has to round up in their favour.
This would actually cost them more time and effort than it is actually worth.

The reality is, if one retailer is rounding up, a competitor will round down; making a point to say that "I am not ripping you off like the other guy!" If you do not take care of your customers, someone else will.

What is always overlooked is that rounding already occurs to the nearest cent because of sales tax. Rounding to the nearest nickel (or dime) would be no different.
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What is always overlooked is that rounding already occurs to the nearest cent because of sales tax. Rounding to the nearest nickel (or dime) would be no different.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone in any way. Just seeing what everyone's input is on the subject. Jbuck, in your Country you don't pay nearly the amount of income tax and sales tax as we do in many Canadian Provinces... For those of us who don't have as much purchasing power with our income, we don't want rounding that's not in our favour.

Because if you put it that way, talking about nickels and dimes. There is nowhere in this Country where you can go buy something for five or ten cents except a variety store to buy a gummy candy or two... So why not intead of doing away with the penny (which costs less to make than banknotes with anti-counterfeiting technology) doen't Canada and the United States (because you know they are going to drop their penny sooner rather than later too) just drop a zero off of our money? The way Mexico dropped three zeros off of their money back in 1993.
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Personally, I always reject any foreign objects found in my money. Cashiers tell me it's the same but it is not. Money of the realm... I may as well just use Mexican pesos everywhere I go but I don't and won't. Just because something is "equivalent" in "value" doesn't mean that they are the same/identical.

@wayforwarded: you've obviously never been to Toronto where retailers can choose to charge you 5 cents per plastic bag of inferior quality in order to take the products home. They could've figured the "tax" into the prices on their shelves but choose to pocket that cash instead and give us really crappy bags. How this saves the environment I haven't a clue but I suspect that they're changing the definition of environment (once I can afford a dictionary I'll look it up). Also, Mexico dropped off the 3 zeroes because of hyperinflation. With the Nuevo Peso (1992) they did have 5 and 10 cent pieces, but those have dropped off because they are basically worthless and easy to lose. Canada and the US have inflation, but not to the extent that our prices are 1000 dollars for a chocolate bar (plus tax).
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Libertad, yes I have been to Toronto many times. It's the same at the western end of the 401 with purchasing grocery bags, I carry my own reusable bags everywhere I shop. I agree that the tax should be prefigured into the price on the shelves. It's supposed to save the environment by you not wanting to spend the money on bags that won't biodegrade in the landfills, and bring your own cloth bags.

Sure Canada and US inflation isn't to the extent of what Mexico's was. That's why I said drop 1 zero intead of 3. Because although it isn't 1000 dollars for a chocolate bar here in Canada, it is 1 dollar. When 40 years ago it was 10 cents for a chocolate bar, I earned 3 dollars per hour at work and enjoyed a better standard of life than I do making 30 dollars per hour today. Inflation is rising faster today than it did in the 40 years until now, so at that rate we'll be paying 15 dollars for a chocolate bar in the year 2050!
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Ok, sorry to make that assumption. I thought you didn't know. So are you saying we should round everything up to the nearest dime?
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